[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Lol people think Jack is going next week. Harry is going

Either of them and Im happy

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really now,lol, we ALL have that Helen side to us,Can any of us honestly say that we have gone through life never being nasty or offending anyone? If that is so,kudos to you although I don't believe it,Helen is loud and brash and lets be honest here,Jack is overweight,anyone can see that,some people will say that about him,others will just 'think' it,so those thoughts are there,I have seen loads of comments on here about the housemates looks etc,I've even said Harry is grubby etc myself,we say it on a forum,they say it on TV,what Helen said about Jack,is exactly what some have been saying on here.

Without we are making out we are Mother Theresa, we ALL have at one time or another made some cutting remark or thought one about someone,its human nature and anyone who claims they never have are liars and fakes

[Ammi]

..also the 'cheek implant' thread just made me think as well, Helen always said that she wanted to have urr boobs done again so obviously wasn't totally happy with her body and has also had other surgeries as well so I presume things that she wasn't happy with so saying that Jack is a moaner etc is fine or whatever else she thinks of his character... but the 'fat' and attacking someone else's physical appearance in her insults just shows her to be the ironic hypocrite that she is and not 'truthful at all' just someone who wants to find any 'weakness' in others to insult and offend because she finds them boring or doesn't like them...in any dictionary that is no definition of 'truth or honesty' but just a mean spirited, bitter, spiteful and hateful person....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..not purposefully no Kaz and I think that many people haven't...whatever their opinions on someone, they realise that's only their perspective and don't feel the need to project their negativity on that person because they could be wrong in their views anyway and that's quite often the case as well...but others will always disagree with their negative opinion anyway because that's their different perspective of that person...also the reason that Helen is one of the people who was chosen to go back is because she's not representative of 'every day people' but is quite extreme in a negative way in that she does project her own her opinions/which is all they are and not 'truth' at all onto others with glee and without thought...and yes Jack is overweight I agree but insulting him/being derogatory about him will only ever lower his self esteem even further and increase any health issues it may cause him....the 'Helens' will only ever make others feel worse about themselves so is never a good thing....

I've seen time and time again on this forum hideous defamation of a housemate for their looks or their occupation does that not come under the umbrella for consideration as a confidence/esteem affecting slight?
the nasty comments aimed towards older hms or those who have had surgery these too may have issues and yet there are countless threads and derogatory comments made about them.
The reason that comments about Jack are seized upon is becouse he is an 'everyday person' someone who is considered 'normal' lovely grumbly chubby jack is just like lots of teens we know.... should that exempt him from criticism should we all redirect our ire to the damaged goods like harry maybe?
Helen can and does say what she likes, as does joel if you've noticed with his little monologues on immorality, they are no less cutting only the delivery is different. When people say hurtful things if you sugar the pill it's still poison, I know this.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've seen time and time again on this forum hideous defamation of a housemate for their looks or their occupation does that not come under the umbrella for consideration as a confidence/esteem affecting slight?
the nasty comments aimed towards older hms or those who have had surgery these too may have issues and yet there are countless threads and derogatory comments made about them.
The reason that comments about Jack are seized upon is becouse he is an 'everyday person' someone who is considered 'normal' lovely grumbly chubby jack is just like lots of teens we know.... should that exempt him from criticism should we all redirect our ire to the damaged goods like harry maybe?
Helen can and does say what she likes, as does joel if you've noticed with his little monologues on immorality, they are no less cutting only the delivery is different. When people say hurtful things if you sugar the pill it's still poison, I know this.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've seen time and time again on this forum hideous defamation of a housemate for their looks or their occupation does that not come under the umbrella for consideration as a confidence/esteem affecting slight?
the nasty comments aimed towards older hms or those who have had surgery these too may have issues and yet there are countless threads and derogatory comments made about them.
The reason that comments about Jack are seized upon is becouse he is an 'everyday person' someone who is considered 'normal' lovely grumbly chubby jack is just like lots of teens we know.... should that exempt him from criticism should we all redirect our ire to the damaged goods like harry maybe?
Helen can and does say what she likes, as does joel if you've noticed with his little monologues on immorality, they are no less cutting only the delivery is different. When people say hurtful things if you sugar the pill it's still poison, I know this.

[Ammi]

..’immorality’ is a judgement on someone’s character which is what housemates do as do the public/viewers which is based on their own personal judgement of what they personally think is ‘immoral’ and also not the ‘truth’....it’s not a judgement of physical appearance from someone who has been unhappy enough to have had surgery to make changes to their own physical appearance or in total disregard to anyone’s feelings...and Jack is not ‘exempt’ from anything obviously as his physical size has been referred to many times but that doesn’t make it any less unnecessary to do so or to applaud anyone who does so by excusing it as being ‘honesty’ ...Helen aims to hurt and offend, Helen aims to ‘entertain’, Helen aims to deliver what is expected of her, nothing even remotely resembling ‘truth’ or ‘honesty’....and if that 'fat' housemate was a public favourite that 'honestly' would not be applauded as such a positive trait at all...but of course she knows exactly where public popularity lays and what to 'pick at'.....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really now,lol, we ALL have that Helen side to us,Can any of us honestly say that we have gone through life never being nasty or offending anyone? If that is so,kudos to you although I don't believe it,Helen is loud and brash and lets be honest here,Jack is overweight,anyone can see that,some people will say that about him,others will just 'think' it,so those thoughts are there,I have seen loads of comments on here about the housemates looks etc,I've even said Harry is grubby etc myself,we say it on a forum,they say it on TV,what Helen said about Jack,is exactly what some have been saying on here.

No, I can say I haven't. I may make unpleasant comments as to someone who makes unnecessary nasty comments about others in their defence or in a general comment about them..
However I do not and would not judge or deride anyone for just their appearance, how they talk or as to age.

Especially moreso as to those I do not know at all either.
Obviously if someone gets at me, I will retaliate but will still try to do so,to the best of my ability,as to relevant facts and not appearance, age or looks.

There is simply no need at all to deride people for how they look or their weight or their age.
There are people overweight in my own family and friends, I would not get at them for that or even comment on it and certainly never use weight as an issue to get at someone.

I judge people on how they act towards others and how they treat them too, not on looks,weight or anything else.

[fitz2k2]

first off Helen is not fat.jack is fat.she is moaning cause past shows before marc got in were getting boring as ****

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..’immorality’ is a judgement on someone’s character which is what housemates do as do the public/viewers which is based on their own personal judgement of what they personally think is ‘immoral’ and also not the ‘truth’....it’s not a judgement of physical appearance from someone who has been unhappy enough to have had surgery to make changes to their own physical appearance or in total disregard to anyone’s feelings...and Jack is not ‘exempt’ from anything obviously as his physical size has been referred to many times but that doesn’t make it any less unnecessary to do so or to applaud anyone who does so by excusing it as being ‘honesty’ ...Helen aims to hurt and offend, Helen aims to ‘entertain’, Helen aims to deliver what is expected of her, nothing even remotely resembling ‘truth’ or ‘honesty’....and if that 'fat' housemate was a public favourite that 'honestly' would not be applauded as such a positive trait at all...but of course she knows exactly where public popularity lays and what to 'pick at'.....

Ah well if you're presuming that making comments based on morality are less offensive/hurtful than those based on looks then there's nothing to discuss.
Personally I don't.
Immorality is based on personal perception and there is no definitive 'truth' however no matter which way you look at him Jack is fat.

[Gusto Brunt]

Jack may be fat but you can't deny he's very good looking.

[VanessaFeltz.]

İ feel sorry for helen because she is fking dumb. She can only attack people on their apperance. "Fat bitch" to jale "skinny little prick" to matthew and "fat c" to jack

[Gstar]

There were no lies in what Helen called him

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah well if you're presuming that making comments based on morality are less offensive/hurtful than those based on looks then there's nothing to discuss.
Personally I don't.
Immorality is based on personal perception and there is no definitive 'truth' however no matter which way you look at him Jack is fat.

..where applicable to something specific in the house, morality has been discussed in every BB and by virtually every housemate ever in there with few exceptions as it also has by the public as well and definitely on forums where it is thrashed until it pleads for mercy...and is no justification for intentional insults about anyone's physical appearance by anyone such as Helen made...but I'm not going to run around with you in circles with this to appease your own agenda as you yourself I believe have expressed how nasty/spiteful you think Helen is... something that I do agree with...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..where applicable to something specific in the house, morality has been discussed in every BB and by virtually every housemate ever in there with few exceptions as it also has by the public as well and definitely on forums where it is thrashed until it pleads for mercy...and is no justification for intentional insults about anyone's physical appearance by anyone such as Helen made...but I'm not going to run around with you in circles with this to appease your own agenda as you yourself I believe have expressed how nasty/spiteful you think Helen is... something that I do agree with...

So what? doesn't make it right because you attempt to justify it.
Insults whether against someone personally, socially or spiritually have been up for discussion yes, that's a good point ammi they have all insulted each other I wouldn't say one more than the other just some more overt in varying degrees.
I'm not running in a circle I just won't distinguish one form of insult from another, if one is wrong they all are.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MelihV

İ feel sorry for helen because she is fking dumb. She can only attack people on their apperance. "Fat bitch" to jale "skinny little prick" to matthew and "fat c" to jack

it's only the same as a lot of us do on here.

[Kazanne]

Whether we like it or not firstly we are judged on appearances,that is the way it is and like him or loathe him Jack IS overweight, plenty of people are calling Helen out on her looks and having a good old giggle . swings and roundabouts

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

it's only the same as a lot of us do on here.

And anyone who does it on here deserves to be challenged about it too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

And anyone who does it on here deserves to be challenged about it too.

But they won't be because there's the immorality factor to consider, you can be old/fat/ugly but if you're old/immoral, fat/immoral or ugly/immoral then you're fair game for abuse.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

And anyone who does it on here deserves to be challenged about it too.

For Sure
Thats why TIBB
is one of the best

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

And anyone who does it on here deserves to be challenged about it too.

Why ? we are all strangers and will have different opinions ,no one has the moral high ground.and lets be honest none of us are going to change our opinions that much on someone we already like.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why ? we are all strangers and will have different opinions ,no one has the moral high ground.and lets be honest none of us are going to change our opinions that much on someone we already like.

Because mindlessly insulting people over their looks adds nothing but nastiness.

And to be honest, if someone has a valid opinion and is capable of articulating that, they won't need to resort to appearance-related pettiness.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've seen time and time again on this forum hideous defamation of a housemate for their looks or their occupation does that not come under the umbrella for consideration as a confidence/esteem affecting slight?

Come off it. It's one thing to do that on an internet forum, but to actually be in a person's face like Helen was last year trying to destroy people is a whole different matter. And it's silly to pretend otherwise.

Helen can and does say what she likes, as does joel if you've noticed with his little monologues on immorality, they are no less cutting only the delivery is different.

Are you serious? You must have trouble telling a green light from a red.

When people say hurtful things if you sugar the pill it's still poison, I know this.

So Joel is as bad as Helen, but because she doesn't sugar the pill, in some ways he's much worse.

In other words... The more obnoxious, nasty and odious you are, the better the person you are, because those of us who don't act like that are either fake, boring or sugaring the pill. Tragic.

[arista]

"like Helen was last year trying to destroy people"

Yes BJ

It was Amazing and Spunky

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Because mindlessly insulting people over their looks adds nothing but nastiness.

And to be honest, if someone has a valid opinion and is capable of articulating that, they won't need to resort to appearance-related pettiness.

Well I do try to do that,it doesn't always work,but I try,