[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I mean 'plain speaking' as in her choice of language and/or delivery, yes some see it as common, uncouth, rude, loud yet essentially what she says is no better or worse in many cases than other housemates, it's seized upon because she's such a huge character.
Personally I feel Joel is a twat for his drip, drip of offensive remarks about other hms and his condescending tone in conversations... it's all relative.

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

Beautifully put :')

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I mean 'plain speaking' as in her choice of language and/or delivery, yes some see it as common, uncouth, rude, loud yet essentially what she says is no better or worse in many cases than other housemates, it's seized upon because she's such a huge character.
Personally I feel Joel is a twat for his drip, drip of offensive remarks about other hms and his condescending tone in conversations... it's all relative.

It's seized upon because she's such a huge hypocrite.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah I don't even think it's about sugar coating so much tbh, but more being more socially aware of boundaries and what's acceptable and what isn't and she's really in a lot of ways like child who 'reacts' to something that maybe it would be understandable to react to but not the way in which they have, so have to have that explained to them as well as listening to their point...it's like a 'basic' thing that most people just know but that she just doesn't seem to or totally disregards because she wants to do and act how she wants to ...so her 'being right' or her point etc is lost in her behaviour and isn't that often the way with children...

..I guess the most 'childlike' thing she's done was last years..I'm always in the right, always in the right, always in the right..and on and on etc..'...speech...

And Nikki... what of her 'childlike' outbursts are they vilified in equal measure would you say?
I wouldn't say they are, in fact they're seen as a positive and legendary way it's quite odd.

[Tom4784]

Nikki is harmless, Helen is not.

[Liam-]

Liked her then, still like her now.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nikki is harmless, Helen is not.

This

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

..Dezzy....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

Hmmm I'm not feeling Chloe as plain speaking really at the moment she's gone a bit mousy and is happiest blending in.
Yes words like twat, bitch and disgusting human being are fine but they don't mean anything they're just random insults, a bit like the helenisms you despise.

[Pete.]

A vile spiteful bitch, always has been, always will be

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nikki is harmless, Helen is not.

It's not just justification because nikki is popular then? She was quite offensive to trans Sam in her series and was warned for her outbursts remember? she can be as rude when she wants.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What are your feelings on Helen now and what were they during her own series?

she was a scabby ***** back then, now she's just a *****.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hmmm I'm not feeling Chloe as plain speaking really at the moment she's gone a bit mousy and is happiest blending in.
Yes words like twat, bitch and disgusting human being are fine but they don't mean anything they're just random insults, a bit like the helenisms you despise.

Lol?

You seriously aren't comparing me commenting on Helen's behavior to Helen herself? She's a bully, I'm simply commenting on the fact that she is a bully and that, in the past and now, she has done everything she can to alienate a belittle anyone she dislikes. This is a woman that outs people on Twitter and brands people she dislikes peadophiles. She isn't honest or straight speaking, she's just a evil toxic little bully and I truly do not understand how anyone can be so blind as to defend her actions.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not just justification because nikki is popular then? She was quite offensive to trans Sam in her series and was warned for her outbursts remember? she can be as rude when she wants.

I have to admit, while we disagree on our views of Helen I do agree about Nikki.

She's nowhere near as awful as Helen, but she did contribute to the Shahbaz nastiness in BB7. Helen's on a totally different level, but Nikki wasn't a saint in her original series, it's just that her nastiness is overlooked by most.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not just justification because nikki is popular then? She was quite offensive to trans Sam in her series and was warned for her outbursts remember? she can be as rude when she wants.

One incident doesn't mean much when she's been harmless since. I think suggesting she's transphobic is a bit of a joke too. She just didn't gel with Sam, if she was a transphobe then she wouldn't have got on with Nadia no? She wouldn't speak of her so highly.

Helen's been a vicious hypocritical hag since she walked into the house last year and nothing has changed.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I have to admit, while we disagree on our views of Helen I do agree about Nikki.

She's nowhere near as awful as Helen, but she did contribute to the Shahbaz nastiness in BB7. Helen's on a totally different level, but Nikki wasn't a saint in her original series, it's just that her nastiness is overlooked by most.

..I don't think that it's so much overlooked when it is nasty, Lostie and don't think it was in the series by a lot of people when she was in the wrong but with this and now...?...maybe if she as been nasty so far then it could have been overlooked because Helen's level of nastiness in more and more relentless and so that can happen as well and is why I hate this thing of people in general being 'hailed' for being spiteful offensive people but it's sadly often what BB promotes...

[Tom4784]

Nikki has shown growth, she was nasty at the start of BB but she outgrew it. She's just a harmless eccentric really while Helen has been exactly the same inside the house and out.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Lol?

You seriously aren't comparing me commenting on Helen's behavior to Helen herself? She's a bully, I'm simply commenting on the fact that she is a bully and that, in the past and now, she has done everything she can to alienate a belittle anyone she dislikes. This is a woman that outs people on Twitter and brands people she dislikes peadophiles. She isn't honest or straight speaking, she's just a evil toxic little bully and I truly do not understand how anyone can be so blind as to defend her actions.

I think you're a bit blinded by your dislike of her that your posts are descending into a bit of a rant containing lots of derogatory words, I'm not judging her by what she does or says outside the house, I'm commenting on how she is in the house only.
I'm not totally in agreement with all she says and does at all but I do make comparisons with others and can see their behaviour as bad but in a more subtle way, I'm more offended at cheap jibes than loud swearing.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think you're a bit blinded by your dislike of her that your posts are descending into a bit of a rant containing lots of derogatory words, I'm not judging her by what she does or says outside the house, I'm commenting on how she is in the house only.
I'm not totally in agreement with all she says and does at all but I do make comparisons with others and can see their behaviour as bad but in a more subtle way, I'm more offended at cheap jibes than loud swearing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

One incident doesn't mean much when she's been harmless since. I think suggesting she's transphobic is a bit of a joke too. She just didn't gel with Sam, if she was a transphobe then she wouldn't have got on with Nadia no? She wouldn't speak of her so highly.

Helen's been a vicious hypocritical hag since she walked into the house last year and nothing has changed.

I wasn't suggesting she was anything phobic, that was just the reason for her warning.
I don't think she has grown at all, she still gurns, cries, whines and flies off the handle at odd intervals.... nothing's changed :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wasn't suggesting she was anything phobic, that was just the reason for her warning.
I don't think she has grown at all, she still gurns, cries, whines and flies off the handle at odd intervals.... nothing's changed :/

She's outgrown the nastiness, her childlike behavior is harmless.

[ozzyshaggah]

liked her then still like her now

she is do exactly what she is paid to do - kudos to her - same with nikki

[Livia]

I disliked her then and I dislike her now. Only watched snatches of the show last night because she spoils it for me. She's a horrible, vicious, mutilated slapper. I'm astonished people are still trying to justify her behaviour.

[Kazanne]

I liked her then but only the latter half of the series,I like her now,no sugar coating from her,she is loud,offensive to those she doesn't like,but a good friend to those she does,just because she dislikes a housemate I like doesn't turn me against her,to me that is fickle,Helen is my kind of girl.