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Robodog · 20-06-2015, 02:30 PM

Personally i think vote to EVICT ruins the show. It means all the bigger characters get voted out. Which is why BB has to keep doing all these twists just to keep the big characters in.

For example - If you look at Housemate popularity polls then Jade has been in the top 3 all week.

So last night if it was Vote to SAVE then Jade would have stayed and probably Harry would have gone as she is not especially loved or hated.

If Marc was up for eviction - he would go, as he is disliked by half the viewers. But if it was vote to SAVE - he would stay, as he liked by the other half.

It's the LOVE/HATE characters that make the show. They need to stay!

Vote to SAVE works in the celeb BB - why not do it for civilian?

What do you think?

VanessaFeltz. · 20-06-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robodog

Personally i think vote to EVICT ruins the show. It means all the bigger characters get voted out. Which is why BB has to keep doing all these twists just to keep the big characters in.

For example - If you look at Housemate popularity polls then Jade has been in the top 3 all week.

So last night if it was Vote to SAVE then Jade would have stayed and probably Harry would have gone as she is not especially loved or hated.

If Marc was up for eviction - he would go, as he is disliked by half the viewers. But if it was vote to SAVE - he would stay, as he liked by the other half.

It's the LOVE/HATE characters that make the show. They need to stay!

Vote to SAVE works in the celeb BB - why not do it for civilian?

What do you think?

Perez got less votes than michelle pricey calum and keith soo it doesnt

Robodog · 20-06-2015, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MelihV

Perez got less votes than michelle pricey calum and keith soo it doesnt

Yeah but that was for the winner. No one wanted Perez to win but most people agreed he should stay for entertainment up to that point.

joeysteele · 20-06-2015, 02:34 PM

I have always preferred vote to save,simply because, usually we come to support housemates that become our favourites.
In vote to evict for a whole series, we can do little in evictions involving 3 or more,to do anything for those we like.
With vote to save, their supporters can then really get behind them and vote for them and thereby bring about a better result, in my view.

Vote to evict just brings negativity for me,with organised voting to get someone out.

JoshBB · 20-06-2015, 02:35 PM

Vote to save keeps bigger characters in, but it's harder to get out bullies (eg. helen), and also it makes more sense that if we are voting people out to be voting to evict.

Jack_ · 20-06-2015, 02:35 PM

Vote to save, but it only works when many housemates are up, two or even three and it's just a reverse vote to evict. To be quite honest noms barely happen anymore so I think they should just put all housemates up every week and have a rolling vote to save, it'd increase competition between fans, keep the best characters in and probably generate a lot of revenue.

If you do anything under a vote to evict, you're as good as gone. There's no way Jade would have gone anywhere a few days ago since she'd faded into the background, but she gets a storyline with Brian and the argument with Cristian and off she goes. It's so counter productive.

abhorson · 20-06-2015, 02:35 PM

Evict. Has was proven with Jade.

Jack_ · 20-06-2015, 02:36 PM

Also vote to evict make the show even nastier than it already is and just festers negativity, it's bad enough every series without it being amplified tbh

Liam- · 20-06-2015, 02:38 PM

Vote to save, I much prefer voting to keep my favourite in rather than voting to get someone I dislike out

MB. · 20-06-2015, 02:45 PM

Vote to save for a better show, but both usually have their issues when it comes to keeping my favourites in (i.e. I tend to support people who are either generally disliked or completely under the radar)

mrflibble · 20-06-2015, 02:46 PM

I hate vote to save, I only like it for the winner. I like vote to evict, but it hasn't worked well the last few series because of crappy housemates and ridiculous manipulation (editing and who ends up actually up for eviction)

Robodog · 20-06-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB

Vote to save keeps bigger characters in, but it's harder to get out bullies (eg. helen), and also it makes more sense that if we are voting people out to be voting to evict.

If there was genuine 'bullying' then BB would remove that person.

I don't like how the word 'bullying' is overused as it detracts from genuine cases of bullying. But in Helen's case it seems there is far more nastiness TOWARDS her (from angry Brian, BOTS audience members, so-called psych experts like the speakmans etc) than i have seen coming FROM Helen towards others.

But yeah i can see how the negative vote to EVICT appeals to the sort of BB viewer that enjoys the whole negative side of the experience. Some people enjoy the whole shouting 'OFF OFF OFF' at evicted HMs during their interview.

VTE encourages that type of mob anger.

Personally i think it's better to get behind your fave in a positive way rather than find HMs to hate and then put energy into hating them back (which just seems hypocritical to me)

Lostie! · 20-06-2015, 03:01 PM

I don't think it's as simple as "one is good, one is bad". They've both had satisfactory and unsatisfying results.

erinp5 · 20-06-2015, 03:25 PM

When Mark is up for the public vote...BB will have a vote to save ...

Macie Lightfoot · 20-06-2015, 03:25 PM

neither system is perfect and there have been some awful evictions under both systems. I prefer VTE because that at least gives a chance for cretins to get the boot. Like, there could have at least been a chance for Aaron to not win BB12 with VTE. VTS just kept him around and made him the most predictable winner ever.

Macie Lightfoot · 20-06-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MelihV

Perez got less votes than michelle pricey calum and keith soo it doesnt

Perez might be the worst ever so I think it worked fine.

Robertocarlo · 20-06-2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robodog

Personally i think vote to EVICT ruins the show. It means all the bigger characters get voted out. Which is why BB has to keep doing all these twists just to keep the big characters in.

For example - If you look at Housemate popularity polls then Jade has been in the top 3 all week.

So last night if it was Vote to SAVE then Jade would have stayed and probably Harry would have gone as she is not especially loved or hated.

If Marc was up for eviction - he would go, as he is disliked by half the viewers. But if it was vote to SAVE - he would stay, as he liked by the other half.

It's the LOVE/HATE characters that make the show. They need to stay!

Vote to SAVE works in the celeb BB - why not do it for civilian?

What do you think?

No she wasn't. It's one thing to come out of your shell but to do so in such a violent and aggressive way, singling out Marc and Helen, is appalling. Sorry but Emma is wrong and clearly condoning bullying.

Shaun · 20-06-2015, 04:17 PM

Both have their faults. I think genuine voter apathy is more of a concern.

abhorson · 20-06-2015, 04:25 PM

VTE is the only right way. That way, the majority always gets it right.

Jack_ · 20-06-2015, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by abhorson

VTE is the only right way. That way, the majority always gets it right.

The majority almost always gets it wrong

Withano · 20-06-2015, 04:31 PM

VTE make for better Friday night shows but VTS make for better Saturday-Thursday night shows.

Think I prefer VTE just to make it more of a game. All you'd have to do to win with VTS is take the most airtime.

Jason. · 20-06-2015, 04:37 PM

VTE for Big Brother.
VTS for Celebrity Big Brother.

In other words, how it is now is perfect.

I prefer the sound of Who goes, you decide rather than Who stays, you decide.

Jack_ · 20-06-2015, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

VTE make for better Friday night shows but VTS make for better Saturday-Thursday night shows.

Think I prefer VTE just to make it more of a game. All you'd have to do to win with VTS is take the most airtime.

VTE is actually the worse game of the two and the one that's the most detrimental to the show

It's also incredibly easy. All you do is be nice to everyone and don't say anything, you therefore avoid nomination cause you're not pissing anyone off and even if you do end up you've done nothing for anyone to want to evict you so you survive anyway. Then you make the final and there's a good chance you end up winning as the 'nice' person. Just another reason why it's an awfully destructive system

Jason. · 20-06-2015, 04:44 PM

I don't get the VTE hate.

VTE worked perfectly fine during the eleven year run on Channel 4. And those series are held in much higher regard than BB12-BB13, both of which featured VTS.