[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not in the house it isn't though. I mean I know we barely get normal nominations anymore but the point is, the people who are usually nominated are those who are annoying the other housemates and the 'nice' ones who sit in the background avoid nomination for pretty much the entirety of the series. It's pretty easy to just be nice to other people and not say a thing or not give your opinions on anything and thus sail through to the final.

In your example, if Marc goes up, he is out. Someone like Chloe is as safe as houses under VTE for the most part.

I disagree, next time Marc gets voted up for nomination, the producers will probably put him up against one other person and he'll probably survive a VTS and a VTE but he'd be in trouble if there's a third person up too, hence, it is more of an open game.

VTS all series long is just a game of 'who can take the most airtime' and I'm not interested in that.
VTE, you'd have to befriend people and make common enemies with people to avoid nomination, all without the public hating you. Its more interesting for me to watch because its more of a game.

Also Friday nights are always the highlight of the week for me in Big Brother, but they're a bit dull with VTS.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

I disagree, next time Marc gets voted up for nomination, the producers will probably put him up against one other person and he'll probably survive a VTS and a VTE but he'd be in trouble if there's a third person up too, hence, it is more of an open game.

VTS all series long is just a game of 'who can take the most airtime' and I'm not interested in that.
VTE, you'd have to befriend people and make common enemies with people to avoid nomination, all without the public hating you. Its more interesting for me to watch because its more of a game.

Also Friday nights are always the highlight of the week for me in Big Brother, but they're a bit dull with VTS.

Well putting producer manipulation which is inevitable aside, if it played out normally, Marc would go and would probably have gone already. I mean the biggest evidence for my argument is Jade, three days ago there's no way she'd have stood a chance of leaving since she's been invisible the last couple of weeks, but since the thing with Brian started up and her argument with Cristian, she was evicted because of it. If you do nothing, you don't go anywhere. If that's not counter productive I don't know what is.

As for the bit in bold that's probably the easiest game ever so much that it's barely even a game. Befriending people and being nice to others is easy, it comes naturally to well, 99% of people. You don't even have to try. So you don't get put up, and even if you do you've not pissed the public off to want to evict you. Under these rules the people whom are annoying the housemates go up and most of the time get evicted, and while that may be great for the housemates, it's not great for the viewers.

On a side note - I've had a discussion with you before where you've said you don't like BBUK being about a 'game'. And to be honest, a 'game' in BBUK doesn't really exist as I've just explained because it's just making friends with each other. Let's adopt the US format and see a real game of social interaction play out, because that's where you have to be clever in getting people on your side but shafting them at the same time.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well putting producer manipulation which is inevitable aside, if it played out normally, Marc would go and would probably have gone already. I mean the biggest evidence for my argument is Jade, three days ago there's no way she'd have stood a chance of leaving since she's been invisible the last couple of weeks, but since the thing with Brian started up and her argument with Cristian, she was evicted because of it. If you do nothing, you don't go anywhere. If that's not counter productive I don't know what is.

As for the bit in bold that's probably the easiest game ever so much that it's barely even a game. Befriending people and being nice to others is easy, it comes naturally to well, 99% of people. You don't even have to try. So you don't get put up, and even if you do you've not pissed the public off to want to evict you. Under these rules the people whom are annoying the housemates go up and most of the time get evicted, and while that may be great for the housemates, it's not great for the viewers.

On a side note - I've had a discussion with you before where you've said you don't like BBUK being about a 'game'. And to be honest, a 'game' in BBUK doesn't really exist as I've just explained because it's just making friends with each other. Let's adopt the US format and see a real game of social interaction play out, because that's where you have to be clever in getting people on your side but shafting them at the same time.

I know it sounds like I'm arguing but i do understand what you're saying..

I think our difference of opinion is because we watch the show differently.. You watch it as an entertainment show and I agree that vts would keep the 'entertaining' ones in longer.. I watch it as a reality show, and to me, vts gets rid of any 'real' element because it's just a show of people being as loud as possible and that's no fun for me to watch

Take sallie axl for example (is that her name, the **** who lost to Gina) she basically said in her interview that she was purposely being loud and brassy because she thought it was vts.. She deliberately wasn't acting 'real'.. It wouldn't be fun for me to watch if people acted like her more often because of vts