[Kazanne]

I just think it's all so petty and childish whoever says it,I've done it myself,still petty and childish, like being back at school,that said Helen said hers in sheer anger and probably didn't even think what she was saying and regretted it after ,Ashleines was worse for me as it was premeditated .

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How did I alter the intent of the question? That example you gave is nothing like what I did, I answered the question 100% honestly. Saying I know I'm not a rapist or murderer or whatever could be applied to any insult anyone threw out but there is such a thing as a murderer and rapist etc. What I said was I don't believe there is such a thing as Satan not I know I'm not the Spawn of Satan

i'm very confused..why did you say

"sounds like a joke insult since there's no such thing as Satan or presumably his spawn"

I mean..how do you know you aren't the spawn of Satan..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

i'm very confused..why did you say

"sounds like a joke insult since there's no such thing as Satan or presumably his spawn"

I mean..how do you know you aren't the spawn of Satan..

Because I don't believe there is such a thing as Satan lol Also, I know who my parents are and I'm pretty sure my dad doesn't have hooves although maybe I'll double check just to be sure

[crazycolaist]

Comparing sprawn of satan & a murderer is fiction & fact.

It's like calling someone a fairy or a cat. One is real the other is not.

So I cant say if id rather be called one or the other because one is a joke & the other is a serious allegation that was false.

F- Helen

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by crazycolaist;7932046[B

]Comparing sprawn of satan & a murderer is fiction & fact.
[/B]
It's like calling someone a fairy or a cat. One is real the other is not.

So I cant say if id rather be called one or the other because one is a joke & the other is a serious allegation that was false.

F- Helen

With respect not to people who have a strong faith it isn't fiction and fact.

That is disrespectful actually to people with genuinely held strong faith and beliefs.
None of which is seen as fiction by them.

Slightly even worse, as Kazanne has said, when one is said in full anger and the other said with pre meditation while totally calm.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With respect not to people who have a strong faith it isn't fiction and fact.

That is disrespectful actually to people with genuinely held strong faith and beliefs.
None of which is seen as fiction by them.

Slightly even worse, as Kazanne has said, when one is said in full anger and the other said with pre meditation while totally calm.

Why is it disrespectful to say that you think Satan is fiction if you genuinely think that? There's actually alot of religious people who don't believe in Satan either

[bots]

people get much to hung up on individual words in my opinion. Its not the words that count, its the intent behind them. Helen wanted to convey that Brian looked a bit scary, Ais wanted to degrade Helen. Which is worst, to degrade clearly.

[Tarryn]

If there was a spawn of satan then he/she would be a murderer. They would be pure evil.
They are both pretty bad & let's face it BB is now a slanging match rather than a social experiment or game show.
I have nieces & nephews under the age of 10 who are more mature than some of those HM's.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is it disrespectful to say that you think Satan is fiction if you genuinely think that? There's actually alot of religious people who don't believe in Satan either

I cant speak for other people ,but I believe in God and Satan who actually is a fallen angel,

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I cant speak for other people ,but I believe in God and Satan who actually is a fallen angel,

So? I said not all religious people believe in Satan

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is it disrespectful to say that you think Satan is fiction if you genuinely think that? There's actually alot of religious people who don't believe in Satan either

I think it is disrespectful because if people have that strong belief then it is not fiction to them and if someone does have a strong faith,unless you ask them, you will not know for sure if they do not believe in a devil, Satan or whatever..

Fine to say such things to someone you know not to have such faith but to say it in the presence of others, not knowing what they all believe or what faith they have or even if they have no faith at all.
Is disrespectful.

Anyway, indicating someone is a spawn of Satan or a Devil, is indicating they are pure evil,now evil is a word I would use to describe actions of ISIS or really cruel Dictators.
As bad as any of the people in that house is,none of them justify,in a calm pre meditated way to be described as 'evil', whatever the form used as to it.
Just as equally, the terms used in strong anger by Helen towards Brian were also disrespectful inmy view.

Religion is a touchy subject,one best avoided, however to those with strong religious beliefs such terms are not fiction to them.

You have no belief so to you it is fiction,I respect that.
I have a kind of belief still,so I would however choose to be careful myself how I termed anything of a religious element both with people I know for sure who have a strong faith and also around people I know nothing about who are in earshot.
I see that myself as respecting others no matter how different in any way they may be to me.

[Tarryn]

I'm religious & was sent to a bible study youth camp every summer (I'm sure you all envy me for that ).
I am not offended by any religious debate but religion is very personal to each person so maybe it's best left out of this debate.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think it is disrespectful because if people have that strong belief then it is not fiction to them and if someone does have a strong faith,unless you ask them, you will not know for sure if they do not believe in a devil, Satan or whatever..

Fine to say such things to someone you know not to have such faith but to say it in the presence of others, not knowing what they all believe or what faith they have or even if they have no faith at all.
Is disrespectful.

Anyway, indicating someone is a spawn of Satan or a Devil, is indicating they are pure evil,now evil is a word I would use to describe actions of ISIS or really cruel Dictators.
As bad as any of the people in that house is,none of them justify,in a calm pre meditated way to be described as 'evil', whatever the form used as to it.
Just as equally, the terms used in strong anger by Helen towards Brian were also disrespectful inmy view.

Religion is a touchy subject,one best avoided, however to those with strong religious beliefs such terms are not fiction to them.

You have no belief so to you it is fiction,I respect that.
I have a kind of belief still,so I would however choose to be careful myself how I termed anything of a religious element both with people I know for sure who have a strong faith and also around people I know nothing about who are in earshot.
I see that myself as respecting others no matter how different in any way they may be to me.

No offence to you Joey but I'm not going to pretend that I think some Demon mentioned in a book written thousands of years ago is real just because other people do believe it.

[Liam-]

Didn't Nikki say Helen was 'born evil'? to me personally, that is on the same offense level as saying someone looks like a murderer.. saying someone looks like a murderer, alright, it's not very nice and everything, but saying someone was 'born evil' is a really strong thing to say to someone imo.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Didn't Nikki say Helen was 'born evil'? to me personally, that is on the same offense level as saying someone looks like a murderer.. saying someone looks like a murderer, alright, it's not very nice and everything, but saying someone was 'born evil' is a really strong thing to say to someone imo.

It's no where near as bad as what Helen said imo, saying you look like muderer is hell of a lot worse

[bots]

Helens comment to Brian was reflecting her view that he looked scary, Ais and Nikki's comments were premeditated acts of hate. No contest

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

well there a quiet a few Christians who would disagree with your claiming there is no Satan and wouldn't think it much of a joke..

personally i think "look like"... is far less of an incitement then "are" ...

Actually to be a proper Christian you actually have to believe in the existence of Satan and Jesus Christ. If you don't believe in Satan, according to Christian doctrine, then the whole concept of Heaven and Hell cannot stand. Put simply. If you're good you go to Heaven if you're bad off to Hell with you. That's what's been preached for centuries.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No offence to you Joey but I'm not going to pretend that I think some Demon mentioned in a book written thousands of years ago is real just because other people do believe it.

Not offended at all I was just pointing out that the implication of a Satan is that someone is pure evil,I consider it disrespectful to term anyone in that way.
I have no belief in a Devil now myself.

I said a long while ago on here I think, I lost that view for me, when I thought about it and could not get a rational conclusion.
As to why a Devil/Satan who was fighting endlessly against a God,making people do as much wrong as they could,would then when they die, punish them in hell for doing his bidding.
That made no sense to me personally at all,surely in that scenario someone doing great wrong would be welcomed and protected by a Devil/Satan.

However I would still respect the belief and thoughts others had on the matter and would not dismiss their position as to it.
No offence at all,I love debating with those agreeing with me and with those not.
You make strong and valid points all the time.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Didn't Nikki say Helen was 'born evil'? to me personally, that is on the same offense level as saying someone looks like a murderer.. saying someone looks like a murderer, alright, it's not very nice and everything, but saying someone was 'born evil' is a really strong thing to say to someone imo.

We are actually born without sin and therefore cannot be born evil. Nikki just shows her nastiness and ignorance there.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LukeB

It's no where near as bad as what Helen said imo, saying you look like muderer is hell of a lot worse

There's a progamme on tv called 'Born evil' and it features the likes of murderers, rapists, serial killers, pedophiles and so on, it doesn't feature gob****es from reality tv shows.

I don't think the word 'evil' should even be used for the majority of people on reality shows anyway, it's so extreme and should only be used against people who truly deserve it.

So imo, saying someone was 'born evil' is equal to, if not worse, that saying someone looks like a murderer, I'm not excusing Helen's words in any way shape or form either before people try and jump on me again like they did last night, but I'm seeing things from both sides and Nikki's words had just as much meaning and depth as Helen's.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So? I said not all religious people believe in Satan

Er,I know you did,was going to explain,but don't think I'll bother.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not offended at all I was just pointing out that the implication of a Satan is that someone is pure evil,I consider it disrespectful to term anyone in that way.
I have no belief in a Devil now myself.

I said a long while ago on here I think, I lost that view for me, when I thought about it and could not get a rational conclusion.
As to why a Devil/Satan who was fighting endlessly against a God,making people do as much wrong as they could,would then when they die, punish them in hell for doing his bidding.
That made no sense to me personally at all,surely in that scenario someone doing great wrong would be welcomed and protected by a Devil/Satan.

However I would still respect the belief and thoughts others had on the matter and would not dismiss their position as to it.
No offence at all,I love debating with those agreeing with me and with those not.
You make strong and valid points all the time.

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

We are actually born without sin and therefore cannot be born evil. Nikki just shows her nastiness and ignorance there.

Aren't people supposed to be born with original sin according to the Bible?

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not offended at all I was just pointing out that the implication of a Satan is that someone is pure evil,I consider it disrespectful to term anyone in that way.
I have no belief in a Devil now myself.

I said a long while ago on here I think, I lost that view for me, when I thought about it and could not get a rational conclusion.
As to why a Devil/Satan who was fighting endlessly against a God,making people do as much wrong as they could,would then when they die, punish them in hell for doing his bidding.
That made no sense to me personally at all,surely in that scenario someone doing great wrong would be welcomed and protected by a Devil/Satan.

However I would still respect the belief and thoughts others had on the matter and would not dismiss their position as to it.
No offence at all,I love debating with those agreeing with me and with those not.
You make strong and valid points all the time.

I am a Pagan myself and we certainly don't believe in the Devil. Even though ignorant people, usually Christians, say we are Devil worshippers? It's Christians who believe in the existence of the Devil and in Heaven and Hell. It's a given, a must, for Christians. Even Christ was tempted by the devil whilst in the desert. If you don't believe in a Devil then you can hardly believe that Christ was tempted by Him?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There's a progamme on tv called 'Born evil' and it features the likes of murderers, rapists, serial killers, pedophiles and so on, it doesn't feature gob****es from reality tv shows.

I don't think the word 'evil' should even be used for the majority of people on reality shows anyway, it's so extreme and should only be used against people who truly deserve it.

So imo, saying someone was 'born evil' is equal to, if not worse, that saying someone looks like a murderer, I'm not excusing Helen's words in any way shape or form either before people try and jump on me again like they did last night, but I'm seeing things from both sides and Nikki's words had just as much meaning and depth as Helen's.

Nikki didn't mean it in that context tho and it's based on how she acts but Helen is basing her commets on appearance like she always does. Nikki's comments are not that vile compared to Helen's

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Aren't people supposed to be born with original sin according to the Bible?

Perhaps, but new born babies can hardly be evil can they? A sin can be forgiven, a must if you're a true Christian. The original sin refers to Adam and Eve and Applegate.