[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Can you please name one example where the word may be used publicly but excused given the correct context? (Excused as in the word being inoffensive to everybody ever).

So using your way of thinking Nikki saying faghag is okay?

[nonstop]

Disgusting. Marc has no shame.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I did. No homophobia whatsoever in it.

If you want to call that homophobic then danny's tweets calling people "gayboy" will have you beside yourself.

If Marc murdered a man and Danny murdered two, you would defend Marc! Your posts nearly always say something along the lines of "it's okay because Danny did it worse".. tonight they were anyway... The rational conclusion that everybody seems to have made from the tweets (excluding you) is that they are both disgusting.

[nonstop]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Again, "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black" logic

100%

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Riley95

So using your way of thinking Nikki saying faghag is okay?

No, obviously the complete opposite how the **** did you jump to that conclusion!

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

If Marc murdered a man and Danny murdered two, you would defend Marc! Your posts nearly always say something along the lines of "it's okay because Danny did it worse".. tonight they were anyway... The rational conclusion that everybody seems to have made from the tweets (excluding you) is that they are both disgusting.

I see nothing homophobic in that tweet. Absolutely nothing.

Can you describe to me exactly how that tweet is homophobic? Use long words, I can handle it.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

No, obviously the complete opposite how the **** did you jump to that conclusion!

Are you saying Nikki is homophobic then?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Riley95

I'm not turning this into a debate about homophobia but I ask why? People should stop feeling sorry for themselves being in a minority group and ignore the abuse. Idgaf

It's not about feeling sorry for themselves, it's a matter of respect. Instead of acting like people should have thicker skin, people should just not use that word

Originally Posted by RodHull

Its nowhere near the same thing. Not even close...

Comparable would be using the N word to describe your black friend to their face (something LOTS of white people do) as both that word and *******ot have been reclaimed by the very people it was used against

If you want to get into why then we can but the two words (assuming you are referencing the N word) have totally different social contexts.

I didn't mention anything involving the n-word. I'm just pointing out that your logic that Marc can't even possibly be homophobic because he was friends with the gay guy in the house is the same as saying that someone can't possibly be racist because they have a black friend.

[mimosveta]

Originally Posted by Riley95

I'm gay and my brothers call me a fa****t all the time and I find it funny, it can be used as abusive but it's BANTER

but he made damn sure to clarify his buddy isn't really gay, but he will be *** if he doesn't get there in time.

In this case word *** was clearly intended to be used as insult, even if jokingly, still an insult.

In Danny's case, tweet was unclear if friend is indeed gay and Danny's stating that (which is then okay) or he's straight and Danny's making similar illconceived "banter" as Marc does here.

[Lostie!]

I'm pretty sure he's not a homophobe (and I said the same about Danny FYI), especially considering he was good friends with Simon, but this is yet another dickish tweet to add to the ever-growing list of dickish tweets from those two.

[mimosveta]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'm pretty sure he's not a homophobe (and I said the same about Danny FYI), especially considering he was good friends with Simon, but this is yet another dickish tweet to add to the ever-growing list of dickish tweets from those two.

true, they both should have just locked their accounts when entering the house.

[Ramsay]

it's all about context

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by mimosveta

true, they both should have just locked their accounts when entering the house.

Or even better, they both should be less dickish.

[Liam-]

Imo people are way too sensitive about these sort of words, someone using these words does not make them homophobic, the context in which they are used makes the person homophobic and the words offensive.

And I said the exact same thing in the thread about Danny as well, before anyone jumped on the 'you'd defend Marc even if he killed someone blah blah blah' bandwagon.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I see nothing homophobic in that tweet. Absolutely nothing.

Can you describe to me exactly how that tweet is homophobic? Use long words, I can handle it.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Are you saying Nikki is homophobic then?

No, for clarity, I am not saying that Nikki is homophobic, Same goes with Danny and Marc.

Homophobia is a state of a mind in which a person dislikes all gay people and I have seen zero evidence that any of the three are guilty of this.

To answer your other question, it is obviously a homophobic slur, using it publicly is homophobic even if it is used to define a heterosexual friend who may or may not be a ****** depending on whether he did or he did not go to the local nightclub on that night (I mean obviously lol, think about it.)

In other words, the word is always homophobic but the person using it may not be.

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by Rob!

He clearly isn't homophobic, he was good friends with Simon.

"Some of his best friends are [fill in the group]!"

Never heard that one before.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Again, "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black" logic

Exactly.

[reece(:]

At 29 years of age, you'd think a man would be educated... saying it for the sake of lad lingo or w.e he wants to defend it as is just as bad as saying it offensively.

and yes I do not approve of Nikki or whoever else saying these slurs either.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

No, for clarity, I am not saying that Nikki is homophobic, Same goes with Danny and Marc.

Homophobia is a state of a mind in which a person dislikes all gay people and I have seen zero evidence that any of the three are guilty of this.

To answer your other question, it is obviously a homophobic slur, using it publicly is homophobic even if it is used to define a heterosexual friend who may or may not be a ****** depending on whether he did or he did not go to the local nightclub on that night (I mean obviously lol, think about it.)

In other words, the word is always homophobic but the person using it may not be.

I really don't understand the underlined bit. The word is homophobic?

Makes no sense.

If you agree that neither Danny or Marc is a homophobe then why even bother dissecting their tweets.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I really don't understand the underlined bit. The word is homophobic?

Makes no sense.

If you agree that neither Danny or Marc is a homophobe then why even bother dissecting their tweets.

The word is a homophobic slur..

A homophobic slur is always homophobic.

Um.

[cookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Withano

The word is a homophobic slur..

A homophobic slur is always homophobic.

Um.

yes the word is, but that doesn't mean that Marc is. i think the fact the only (?) gay person in this thread thinks that Marc wasn't being offensive says it all

just more people that need to go back to politically-correct-ville

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Spoon

"Some of his best friends are [fill in the group]!"

Never heard that one before.



Exactly.

But he was good friends with Simon, that's a fact fact.

Unless you subscribe to the "He was using Simon as an ally" theory, which makes very little logical sense considering he had very little to gain from befriending Simon when the whole house was against him (especially when he's taking the heat off Marc). And then there's the fact that Marc regularly says outrageous, controversial things, I'm sure any genuine bigotry against gay people would have come out in the house by now.

Saying a stupid word and genuinely hating gay people are two very different things.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

The word is a homophobic slur..

A homophobic slur is always homophobic.

Um.

No, by definition, a slur can only be homophobic if it is directed at a homosexual.

If I call my hetero mate a "******" during some banter then it isn't anyone's business, including gay people.

Why are people queuing up to be offended?

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

No, by definition, a slur can only be homophobic if it is directed at a homosexual.

If I call my hetero mate a "******" during some banter then it isn't anyone's business, including gay people.

Why are people queuing up to be offended?

Not banter being used as an excuse

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Not banter being used as an excuse

[mimosveta]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Or even better, they both should be less dickish.

yeah, but I bet then they wouldn't even be in the house