[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I said that he kind of voted. Some of your comments say "Joel said he wasn't going to vote at all" etc. but to basically veto one person is sort of a vote for the other two. He didn't stay completely out of it like your comments suggest.

I ask again, how was that a vote it was an opinion not a vote, no one was asked who they wanted to save, they were told to vote one out and he refused to do so.

You know it was you who challenged me on my original comments as to Joel,not vice versa.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I ask again, how was that a vote it was an opinion not a vote, no one was asked who they wanted to save, they were told to vote one out and he refused to do so.

You know it was you who challenged me on my original comments as to Joel,not vice versa.

Whether it's a vote or an opinion, it still contributed to the outcome, which is why I think to say "Joel wasn't voting at all" isn't quite correct. If you want no part in the outcome, why give any opinion?

Not sure what you're trying to suggest by your second comment.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Whether it's a vote or an opinion, it still contributed to the outcome, which is why I think to say "Joel wasn't voting at all" isn't quite correct. If you want no part in the outcome, why give any opinion?

Not sure what you're trying to suggest by your second comment.

It didn't though.because he didn't vote and therefore made no contribution other than to say he hoped Chloe would stay.
He spoke first,he had no idea how all of them may have voted when a vote was actually done,

His decision to not vote at all, was his opinion of how wrong the twist was,still not a vote just an opinion.
Clearly he likes Chloe,however he couldn't vote to save her, he had to vote to evict someone.
That is the whole point, he said he would not and did not vote.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It didn't though.because he didn't vote and therefore made no contribution other than to say he hoped Chloe would stay.
He spoke first,he had no idea how all of them may have voted when a vote was actually done,

His decision to not vote at all, was his opinion of how wrong the twist was,still not a vote just an opinion.
Clearly he likes Chloe,however he couldn't vote to save her, he had to vote to evict someone.
That is the whole point, he said he would not and did not vote.

Ok. The way I see it is to say "I'm completely abstaining... but we shouldn't evict Chloe" is not completely abstaining, it affects the outcome even if it is not a vote for someone. You clearly see it differently

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Ok. The way I see it is to say "I'm completely abstaining... but we shouldn't evict Chloe" is not completely abstaining, it affects the outcome even if it is not a vote for someone. You clearly see it differently

Yes I do,strongly so.
The only person who really affected the outcome of this eviction was not in anyway Joel but Danny who made his pitch for Jack and Chloe and throwing Sam to the dogs.

I just wish 2 things could have happened.
1) that the housemates joined Joel and refused to 'vote to evict' any of the 3 eligible to go in this unnecessary and shocking twist.
or
2) that Chloe had got the £15,000 to then see what Danny would have set out to influence then.

[Trasadkel1]

Anyone who thought that Joel abstained from the vote for any other reason than to make himself look good must be deluded. Joel knew exactly what he was doing. The only reason it worked was because Danny was so keen to get the £15,000 added to the prize fund, he did he usual stance of taking over and put his vote in for Sam to be evicted. It would have been far more interesting if they had all stuck together to see what BB would have done.

If they had started counting down the prize fund would Joel have been so keen to stick to his decision.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1

Anyone who thought that Joel abstained from the vote for any other reason than to make himself look good must be deluded. Joel knew exactly what he was doing. The only reason it worked was because Danny was so keen to get the £15,000 added to the prize fund, he did he usual stance of taking over and put his vote in for Sam to be evicted. It would have been far more interesting if they had all stuck together to see what BB would have done.

If they had started counting down the prize fund would Joel have been so keen to stick to his decision.

I actually think yes, because he likely in reality doesn't need the money, however he would like to be the winner of BB as anyone going into the house would.

He knows by now, going against BB brings penalties,he showed he wasn't bothered as to the prize fund with the pizza issue,and the prize fund was far lower at that time than it was last night.

Joel said his bit right off at the start, before anyone had said a word really.I actually give him credit for that,whereas Danny immediately counteracted that stand,and made his case for not only voting but also who to vote out.

Still Joel did not vote.I still say to his credit.
Then again I like him, you don't.

I dare bet had another hm/s said they were not going to vote at all in this, they would probably be termed wonderful for that.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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Yes I do,strongly so.
The only person who really affected the outcome of this eviction was not in anyway Joel but Danny who made his pitch for Jack and Chloe and throwing Sam to the dogs.

The people who affected the outcome were the production team who knew full well what they were doing. The housemates have signed up to a show where they have a choice... Either protest against the rules the production team come up with or go along with them. Danny chose the latter and Joel, rather than protest against the production team, chose to smear his fellow housemates.

I just wish 2 things could have happened.
1) that the housemates joined Joel and refused to 'vote to evict' any of the 3 eligible to go in this unnecessary and shocking twist.
or
2) that Chloe had got the £15,000 to then see what Danny would have set out to influence then.

What I would have liked to seen happen is Joel show that he really is principled by taking his complaint to Big Brother/Producers and walking out in disgust. Will he do that? No. Because what he's engaged in is little more than political point scoring as a vote to win has opened.