[susie q]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No need to bring her son into things,I am sure no ones kid is welded to them at the hip,he will have a father,grandparents relatives friends etc, a very low blow to have a go at her,but I'm not surprised tbh.

Yes the sort of blow that Helen herself would happily dish out to someone else.
Quickly followed by her fans both agreeing with her, and making up all sorts of excuses for her, just to feed their delusion that their "heroine" is decent human being who care so much about them all.
The majority of people cant stand her, get over it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by susie q

Yes the sort of blow that Helen herself would happily dish out to someone else.
Quickly followed by her fans both agreeing with her, and making up all sorts of excuses for her, just to feed their delusion that their "heroine" is decent human being who care so much about them all.
The majority of people cant stand her, get over it.

You don't know that,you are surmising what you THINK she would do,So if that is the case ,that Helen would say such a low thing,you have done exactly the same so what makes you any better? infact I doubt Helen would bring peoples kids into things,I have no delusions of Helen either,but I DO realise she is human and not perfect,and I would rather be in a minority than run with a crowd.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You don't know that,you are surmising what you THINK she would do,So if that is the case ,that Helen would say such a low thing,you have done exactly the same so what makes you any better? infact I doubt Helen would bring peoples kids into things,I have no delusions of Helen either,but I DO realise she is human and not perfect,and I would rather be in a minority than run with a crowd.

Tell all that to Rooney family & the other celebrity families she was happily going to ruin in the press for the sake of money.Okay they shouldnt have touched her with a barge pole, but like your heroine they to are flawed human beings. Had she been allowed to do it, their children would have been affected and Helen would not have given a damn, just so long as she got her money. Thankfully the law put a stop to her.
Further more you call me low, for daring to express concern over the welfare of a child, but you support some one who likened Brian to rapist & Serial killler, just because he had the temerity to disagree with her, I wont go into what she did to people like Jale (I see others on the forum are dealing with that one anyway) She will continue to behave this way as long as she is getting both the attention and the money. You may be happy with this but I am not, even at the risk of being called low. You support a bully if you want to but dont expect others to just follow either Helen or you. Now that her time is up, hopefully she will crawl back under the stone she came from.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by susie q

Tell all that to Rooney family & the other celebrity families she was happily going to ruin in the press for the sake of money.Okay they shouldnt have touched her with a barge pole, but like your heroine they to are flawed human beings. Had she been allowed to do it, their children would have been affected and Helen would not have given a damn, just so long as she got her money. Thankfully the law put a stop to her.
Further more you call me low, for daring to express concern over the welfare of a child, but you support some one who likened Brian to rapist & Serial killler, just because he had the temerity to disagree with her, I wont go into what she did to people like Jale (I see others on the forum are dealing with that one anyway) She will continue to behave this way as long as she is getting both the attention and the money. You may be happy with this but I am not, even at the risk of being called low. You support a bully if you want to but dont expect others to just follow either Helen or you. Now that her time is up, hopefully she will crawl back under the stone she came from.

1. She said he LOOKED LIKE a rapist/murderer not because he 'disagreed with her' (there was nothing she actually said for him to disagreed with!), but because HE physically and verbally intimidated HER, pointing in her face, shouting personal abuse whilst being physically restrained by other HM for the THIRD TIME that week! She said her comment in retaliation to HIS unprovoked aggression.

She was half right at least - he DID look like he wanted to kill her!

2. You saying that Helen should 'crawl back under the stone she came from' is a nasty thing to say, making YOU no better than whatever you say Helen is. Just one of many examples of hypocrites who somehow think they claim the moral high ground on verbal abuse by making verbally abusive comments themselves!! LOL

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[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

1. She said he LOOKED LIKE a rapist/murderer not because he 'disagreed with her' (there was nothing she actually said for him to disagreed with!), but because HE physically and verbally intimidated HER, pointing in her face, shouting personal abuse whilst being physically restrained by other HM for the THIRD TIME that week! She said her comment in retaliation to HIS unprovoked aggression.

She was half right at least - he DID look like he wanted to kill her!

2. You saying that Helen should 'crawl back under the stone she came from' is a nasty thing to say, making YOU no better than whatever you say Helen is. Just one of many examples of hypocrites who somehow think they claim the moral high ground on verbal abuse by making verbally abusive comments themselves!! LOL

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smh how can people defend what Helen said lmao

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

smh how can people defend what Helen said lmao

It was half true - he DID LOOK LIKE he wanted to kill her!!

How people can defend Brian's aggression is the real worry - Helen hadn't even done anything at that point to deserve his 3 aggressive onslaughts! No wonder she retaliated in the end and insulted Brian back on his third attack.

She had every right to retaliate; just like Matthew had every right to retaliate to Helen when SHE was the aggressive one last year, standing over HIM like Brian did to her.

No one moaned when Matthew retaliated to Helen, but everyone was up in arms when Helen retaliated to Brian! Talk about hypocrites!

Helen's verbal retaliation was harsh, but Brian's verbal AND physical intimidation of her was worse! And he started it!

At least Helen didn't need physical restraint like Brian did.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Robodog

1. She said he LOOKED LIKE a rapist/murderer not because he 'disagreed with her' (there was nothing she actually said for him to disagreed with!), but because HE physically and verbally intimidated HER, pointing in her face, shouting personal abuse whilst being physically restrained by other HM for the THIRD TIME that week! She said her comment in retaliation to HIS unprovoked aggression.

She was half right at least - he DID look like he wanted to kill her!

2. You saying that Helen should 'crawl back under the stone she came from' is a nasty thing to say, making YOU no better than whatever you say Helen is. Just one of many examples of hypocrites who somehow think they claim the moral high ground on verbal abuse by making verbally abusive comments themselves!! LOL

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This sounds like the typical "blame the victim", stance that is adopted by many bullys. Brian did nothing to warrant being called either of those things, there should be no excuses made for it. As for my comment on Helen well it really is quite mild in comparison to some of the things both Helen and her fans have said. Thankfully I am nothing like either of them.
However I accept that "this is a free country" and if you wish to support to support bullying in any way that you want to you can.
Meanwhile I will continue to exercise my right to speak out against it, which is something I do in my non forum life. Have you ever considered doing any victim support work?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by susie q

This sounds like the typical "blame the victim", stance that is adopted by many bullys. Brian did nothing to warrant being called either of those things, there should be no excuses made for it. As for my comment on Helen well it really is quite mild in comparison to some of the things both Helen and her fans have said. Thankfully I am nothing like either of them.
However I accept that "this is a free country" and if you wish to support to support bullying in any way that you want to you can.
Meanwhile I will continue to exercise my right to speak out against it, which is something I do in my non forum life. Have you ever considered doing any victim support work?

How on earth can anyone be anti bullying when they have said such vile things about her? the mind boggles,so much hypocrisy it stinks, you can label Helen supporters 'bullys' if it makes you feel better about yourself,but you are wrong,simple as.I work in a school,so I don't need anyone telling me what sort of job I should be doing,it's rather arrogant to presume you are right and others are wrong,we just have different opinions.Thankfully,we all see things differently.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How on earth can anyone be anti bullying when they have said such vile things about her? the mind boggles,so much hypocrisy it stinks, you can label Helen supporters 'bullys' if it makes you feel better about yourself,but you are wrong,simple as.I work in a school,so I don't need anyone telling me what sort of job I should be doing,it's rather arrogant to presume you are right and others are wrong,we just have different opinions.Thankfully,we all see things differently.

I also work in the education system,dealing with students, in a major university that has adopted a zero tolerance attitude towards bullying, so do not presume that I dont know what I am talking about. I am not a hypocrite, and do not feel bad about myself, or my attitude towards bullying so do not need Helen fans to"make myself" feel better as you so arrogantly put it. However you are right we do see things differently, and we should all be allowed to express our opinions. I think it is time to move on with this thread,
and have decided to stop reading it, so there is no point in putting up any more responses.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by susie q

This sounds like the typical "blame the victim", stance that is adopted by many bullys. Brian did nothing to warrant being called either of those things, there should be no excuses made for it. As for my comment on Helen well it really is quite mild in comparison to some of the things both Helen and her fans have said. Thankfully I am nothing like either of them.
However I accept that "this is a free country" and if you wish to support to support bullying in any way that you want to you can.
Meanwhile I will continue to exercise my right to speak out against it, which is something I do in my non forum life. Have you ever considered doing any victim support work?

Do not try and spin this around like i am 'supporting bullys' when i am the one who is being objective enough to say that Helen AND Brian's comment's were wrong! And YOU were the one (not me) making spiteful comments when you said that Helen should 'crawl back under the stone she came from'.

I am not the one making spiteful comments about a HM like you did! You cannot call others 'supporters of bullying' when YOU the one making spiteful comments like that! If you don't like Helen for her 'spiteful comments' - why make them yourself?!

What is REALLY happening here is that you are taking sides and being unfair in that you are happy to deride Helen for making 'bad' comments, while making 'bad' comments yourself about HER. Not only that, you are also refusing to recognise Brian's aggression and verbal and physical intimidation of Helen! You say 'he's done nothing wrong'?! Do you honestly think then it is 'ok' for him to stand over someone, pointing and shouting abuse in their face whilst being physically restrained!

Did you think it was equally ok for Helen to do that to Matthew last year then? I didn't.

In my eyes, Helen was wrong last year with Matthew and Brian was wrong THIS year with Helen. I do not let my bias towards one housemate influence my sense of right and justice - as you clearly do. It's the BEHAVIOUR that's the issue here not 'who you like'. I'm not on any one HMs 'side' regardless of their behaviour. I like both Helen and Brian for different reasons and i am able to say with objectivity when Helen is wrong AND when Brian is wrong.

You however seem to have one rule for Helen and one rule for others. What is the point of celebrating your 'education work' whilst clearly displaying such hypocrisy and also making similarly spiteful comments about Helen?!

Plus your sarchastic comment to me regarding victim support is below the belt. I HAVE worked with victims and i always maintain objectivity and not let my own personal bias affect my sense of fairness, justice and sympathy. But if a colleague was to display the kind of bias and hypocrisy towards people that YOU have shown towards Helen, and especially if they were to make a spiteful comment about someone like you did about her, then i would look to have them sacked.

But like you say this IS a free country and you are free to be as hypocritical and as spiteful as YOU like. Just as i am free to tell you i think you should look in the mirror and double check the unkindness and hypocrisy in your OWN comments before making them. You cannot expect to take the moral high ground by acting as bad as the people you say are wrong! For someone who claims to work in education, i would hope that was glaringly obvious.

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[jet]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Do not try and spin this around like i am 'supporting bullys' when i am the one who is being objective enough to say that Helen AND Brian's comment's were wrong! And YOU were the one (not me) making spiteful comments when you said that Helen should 'crawl back under the stone she came from'.

I am not the one making spiteful comments about a HM like you did! You cannot call others 'supporters of bullying' when YOU the one making spiteful comments like that! If you don't like Helen for her 'spiteful comments' - why make them yourself?!

What is REALLY happening here is that you are taking sides and being unfair in that you are happy to deride Helen for making 'bad' comments, while making 'bad' comments yourself about HER. Not only that, you are also refusing to recognise Brian's aggression and verbal and physical intimidation of Helen! You say 'he's done nothing wrong'?! Do you honestly think then it is 'ok' for him to stand over someone, pointing and shouting abuse in their face whilst being physically restrained!

Did you think it was equally ok for Helen to do that to Matthew last year then? I didn't.

In my eyes, Helen was wrong last year with Matthew and Brian was wrong THIS year with Helen. I do not let my bias towards one housemate influence my sense of right and justice - as you clearly do. It's the BEHAVIOUR that's the issue here not 'who you like'. I'm not on any one HMs 'side' regardless of their behaviour. I like both Helen and Brian for different reasons and i am able to say with objectivity when Helen is wrong AND when Brian is wrong.

You however seem to have one rule for Helen and one rule for others. What is the point of celebrating your 'education work' whilst clearly displaying such hypocrisy and also making similarly spiteful comments about Helen?!

Plus your sarchastic comment to me regarding victim support is below the belt. I HAVE worked with victims and i always maintain objectivity and not let my own personal bias affect my sense of fairness, justice and sympathy. But if a colleague was to display the kind of bias and hypocrisy towards people that YOU have shown towards Helen, and especially if they were to make a spiteful comment about someone like you did about her, then i would look to have them sacked.

But like you say this IS a free country and you are free to be as hypocritical and as spiteful as YOU like. Just as i am free to tell you i think you should look in the mirror and double check the unkindness and hypocrisy in your OWN comments before making them. You cannot expect to take the moral high ground by acting as bad as the people you say are wrong! For someone who claims to work in education, i would hope that was glaringly obvious.

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Okay, lets put this into perspective here. Yes, Brian was emotionally upset and aggressive but does that excuse Helen saying he looked like a murderer and RAPIST - I mean WTF - NO. Hell, no. Absolutely NOT. (Let's not forget Helen's part of antagonistic sneering which seems to have been deleted form the history book.) If you were in a heated argument with someone in the safe confines (let's face it) in the BB house would you excuse them if they called YOU those same things? You could say they were threatening, or over - the - top as Brian seemed to be. But to say they looked like a murderer or rapist - come on now - would you be so understanding if it were you on the receiving end? It's disgraceful!

As for people saying derogatory things about Helen. Is this a world where Helen can call someone a paedophile with no evidence whatsoever and tweet horrible things over and over and bully people like Jale and Matthew yet everyone is supposed to be all sweetness and light when talking about her? Is everyone supposed to take the high road and be little angels? Are you living in the real world? Of course people are going to REACT. There is a MASSIVE difference between REACTING to the awfulness of someone like Helen and being the INSTIGATOR in the first place like she is.

You accused Susie of being hypocritical and 'spiteful'. WTF!!! What you are basically saying is that the likes of Helen can do and say whatever the hell they please but if anyone dare react and tell them where to shove it then they are as bad, if not worse than Helen herself. Are you serious?
Awful people like Helen are going to get negative comments - unless you live in la la land where people can do and say what they please with no comeback and if that is the case why on earth do you you watch BB?