[Niall]

Originally Posted by Jords

for a bunch of gays yall narrow-minded on this subject nobody on this forum likes to sit down and go, hang on thats kind of a reasonable point do they

Its not common nor a big problem like homophobia but imo it exists.

I love da straight men and women

No no no, you misunderstand. It doesn't exist. It doesn't, cannot, has not, and will not exist.

Tell me when you've been mocked and had slurs shouted at you in the street for holding hands with someone? Tell me when people have rolled their eyes at you and your partner just for being together on a train? Tell me when you've had to sit in a room where everyone around you has spoken of their disgust and dissaproval of straight people?

Tell me when the government has had to vote to legalise you being who you naturally are? Tell me when you've had to explain to someone that no, one of you is not the 'woman' in the relationship? Tell me when most if not all of the TV shows and movies you watch have no representation of people like you and even when you are represented it's a negative two dimensional stereotype?

Everyday is straight pride for you. The entire world, it's systems and institutions are geared toward preserving your sexual orientation. Tell me one country where you can't walk around holding a girl's hand and not get mocked/arrested/killed? You can't because there aren't any. I can give you 79.

There's a reason why 'Heterophobia' is underlined in red when you type it - it does not exist. Someone may be prejudiced towards heterosexual people but no, they cannot be 'heterophobic' because that implies so much more than irrational distaste. It references systems of oppression designed to push you down, and those systems are simply not mirrored for straight people. There just aren't.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Niall

No no no, you misunderstand. It doesn't exist. It doesn't, cannot, has not, and will not exist.

Tell me when you've been mocked and had slurs shouted at you in the street for holding hands with someone? Tell me when people have rolled their eyes at you and your partner just for being together on a train? Tell me when you've had to sit in a room where everyone around you has spoken of their disgust and dissaproval of straight people?

Tell me when the government has had to vote to legalise you being who you naturally are? Tell me when you've had to explain to someone that no, one of you is not the 'woman' in the relationship? Tell me when most if not all of the TV shows and movies you watch have no representation of people like you and even when you are represented it's a negative two dimensional stereotype?

Everyday is straight pride for you. The entire world, it's systems and institutions are geared toward preserving your sexual orientation. Tell me one country where you can't walk around holding a girl's hand and not get mocked/arrested/killed? You can't because there aren't any. I can give you 79.

There's a reason why 'Heterophobia' is underlined in red when you type it - it does not exist. Someone may be prejudiced towards heterosexual people but no, they cannot be 'heterophobic' because that implies so much more than irrational distaste. It references systems of oppression designed to push you down, and those systems are simply not mirrored for straight people. There just aren't.

Its a great post for sure but your focus is just on the very extreme of homophobia at a society level and not on an individual level... plus the use of a lot of rhetorical questions.

1 definition of homophobia plucked off the internet:

unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality

Lay-term.


Edit: heterophobia cannot exist at a society level because being heterosexual is the social norm, but I think it has its place at an individual level amongst homosexuals - be it a rare occasion

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Jords

Its a great post for sure but your focus is just on the very extreme of homophobia at a society level and not on an individual level... plus the use of a lot of rhetorical questions.

1 definition of homophobia plucked off the internet:



Lay-term.

But that's simply not what it is. Dictionary definitions do not define the true nature of homophobia. Like I previously stated, the true natrue of homophobia is a deeply ingrained and systematic style of oppression directed at all people who aren't heterosexual. That, my friend, is the definition of homophobia. What you've got there is something that references only part of a deeply ingrained societal issue. No such issues exist for heterosexual individuals.

And if you do believe that 'heterophobia' exists, then you believe that people of colour can be racist to white individuals? Because the logic around heterophobia uses precisely the same logic as that.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Niall

But that's simply not what it is. Dictionary definitions do not define the true nature of homophobia. Like I previously stated, the true natrue of homophobia is a deeply ingrained and systematic style of oppression directed at all people who aren't heterosexual. That, my friend, is the definition of homophobia. What you've got there is something that references only part of a deeply ingrained societal issue. No such issues exist for heterosexual individuals.

And if you do believe that 'heterophobia' exists, then you believe that people of colour can be racist to white individuals? Because the logic around heterophobia uses precisely the same logic as that.

I absolutely do at an individual level.

My flatmate in first year when he first referred to me as a "white boy" I asked him what he meant by that and he explained it was just his terminology and I accepted it and went on to use it myself in banter - although I never dared say the n-word.

If we had ever argued and he called me a "white boy %#!#!' I would have taken it as a racist comment yes.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Jords

I absolutely do at an individual level.

My flatmate in first year when he first referred to me as a "white boy" I asked him what he meant by that and he explained it was just his terminology and I accepted it and went on to use it myself in banter - although I never dared say the n-word.

If we had ever argued and he called me a "white boy %#!#!' I would have taken it as a racist comment yes.

Well by that logic he's a black boy and if you called him that it wouldn't be offensive because that's what he is...

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Well by that logic he's a black boy and if you called him that it wouldn't be offensive because that's what he is...

You can't risk saying something like that though, because so many people could take offence. Even though it's true, like you said, it wouldnt be okay for Jords to say it back and there is another double standard.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Chaos

You can't risk saying something like that though, because so many people could take offence. Even though it's true, like you said, it wouldnt be okay for Jords to say it back and there is another double standard.

There's a double standard because white people have used it in the past to demean black people. If someone called me a white boy I would not be offended – how is that offensive?

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Well by that logic he's a black boy and if you called him that it wouldn't be offensive because that's what he is...

this is a deliberate awkward comment

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niall

But that's simply not what it is. Dictionary definitions do not define the true nature of homophobia. Like I previously stated, the true natrue of homophobia is a deeply ingrained and systematic style of oppression directed at all people who aren't heterosexual. That, my friend, is the definition of homophobia. What you've got there is something that references only part of a deeply ingrained societal issue. No such issues exist for heterosexual individuals.

And if you do believe that 'heterophobia' exists, then you believe that people of colour can be racist to white individuals? Because the logic around heterophobia uses precisely the same logic as that.

Absolutely, but not just white people.