[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There is already a few threads on this, I seem to be saying the same thing across a few different pages.

Yes and I think you have the most ethical and logical solutions. #Kizzy4PM

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There is already a few threads on this, I seem to be saying the same thing across a few different pages.

Oh, I looked and didn't find any.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

How would we know that these people who have been put into these refugee camps are safe? How would we know?

People camps have been processed and have paperwork and are genuinely fleeing a warzone, that said nothing is 100 per cent but it is a far safer way to take refugees , we are probably in a lot more danger from homegrown terrorists

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

People camps have been processed and have paperwork and are genuinely fleeing a warzone, that said nothing is 100 per cent but it is a far safer way to take refugees , we are probably in a lot more danger from homegrown terrorists

The only issue I have with that, is that we also need to be taking some from Europe. Perhaps take 20,000 from the camps and another 20,000 from those who have arrived.

If we only take from the camps then it doesn't solve the issue of tons of displaced migrants in Europe, and we're leaving countries like Germany or France to deal with it when we should be helping out.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

People camps have been processed and have paperwork and are genuinely fleeing a warzone, that said nothing is 100 per cent but it is a far safer way to take refugees , we are probably in a lot more danger from homegrown terrorists

Maybe I'm just worrying too much then?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Maybe I'm just worrying too much then?

Yes and it's unsurprising considering the amount of anti-immigration scaremongering we are receiving from the media, mostly the right-wing press owned by Murdoch.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Oh, I looked and didn't find any.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=275716

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=288357

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=287568

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=287962

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=287755

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Maybe I'm just worrying too much then?

I think everyone is concerned as to how all this will play out, solutions need to be found so that people can return to their own countries, giving people asylum is all well and good but its not a long term solution

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=275716

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=288357

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=287568

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=287962

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=287755

Those are just news articles? This is a debate thread.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think everyone is concerned as to how all this will play out, solutions need to be found so that people can return to their own countries, giving people asylum is all well and good but its not a long term solution

100%!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Those are just news articles? This is a debate thread.

What are you current views on the "Immigration crisis"??

How is this any different to yours?
Mine isn't just an article either there are weeks worth of debates on this topic :/

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think everyone is concerned as to how all this will play out, solutions need to be found so that people can return to their own countries, giving people asylum is all well and good but its not a long term solution

I think it would seem quite unfair though to allow these people here for a few years then just send them back

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I think it would seem quite unfair though to allow these people here for a few years then just send them back

Hopefully by then things would have settled down in Syria. I just don't know how this country is going to fund 20,000 refugees when there is already so many people here that are struggling financially.

[Liam-]

I think we're letting emotions take control and we as a country aren't thinking logically in this situation, we're just barely coming out of a double dip recession, benefits are being cut, public services are being cut all because we want to save money, yet we're going to be allowing thousands upon thousands of people in, I don't see how it's going to work, it's never going to work as a permanent thing, so I think deporting them when things die down in Syria or when they turn 18 like planned is a good thing.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I'm quite indifferent, if not undecided about where I stand. On the one hand, I love helping people, I get a feel-good feeling whenever I give change to a beggar and I'm quick to defend people who are victims of racism and homophobia, however on the other hand, it's annoying. Who are these people? Why are we letting in 20,000 willy nilly? Will they do harm to our country?

Is there a possibility that at least one of these 20,000 is an ISIS member, a terrorist or a wrong'un, wanting no more than to cause harm to our countries out of pure jealousy? Will British lives be lost if we keep letting them in? How could we possibly know? The answer is no, we don't know anything. We're taking a complete gamble here. Is it our job to help Syria? Not at all. We can put up the borders and send them back to wherever it was they came from, but they know we won't do that, because we're British, and god only knows that Syria will take advantage of this.

Britain is running on a very tight rope right now. Parliament need to think carefully about what they do next because if they make the smallest mistake, then they are going to be taking us down with them.

If UK people fled this country how many would Syria take in? I rest my case.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

If UK people fled this country how many would Syria take in? I rest my case.

What case?...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I think we're letting emotions take control and we as a country aren't thinking logically in this situation, we're just barely coming out of a double dip recession, benefits are being cut, public services are being cut all because we want to save money, yet we're going to be allowing thousands upon thousands of people in, I don't see how it's going to work, it's never going to work as a permanent thing, so I think deporting them when things die down in Syria or when they turn 18 like planned is a good thing.

Accepting 20,000 people would be negligible cost in the grand scheme of things though. The cuts are not just about saving money but also ensuring that the money the government does spend is well allocated and this is a worthy cause imo. In fact it's already budgeted for really because the foreign aid budget is going to be used to support the intake.

I also don't see why it can't work as a permanent thing? People seem to have the impression that Syrians are good for nothings who will need to be propped up by the taxpayer their whole lives. In fact many of them are well educated, well-spoken and would have had solid professions in their home countries before the war. These are teachers, engineers, students etc. who have had a once normal existence completely destroyed.

[parmnion]

I will make my mind up when we get the truth and full facts about how and why im not holding my breath.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Chaos

My view is that yes its sad and awful that these people are dying whilst trying to get to the EU, but we also have to think about what happens if we do allow them to come here. I want to help them as much as anyone but it's such a sticky situation. If we do help, more will risk their lives coming here, which would lead to more deaths... But if we could offer the safety of them staying here and keep doing checks, it wouldn't be the end of the world. We can't take too many as we already have enough people struggling here. But my bet is that these refugees would be happy staying literally anywhere.

We also have the concerns of people who aren't actually 'refugees' entering the UK. I don't doubt for a second that people will use this as an excuse to sneak into the UK and try and convert people to 'extremism' or whatever. but again, if a close eye is kept then it shouldnt be too much of an issue.

However, my main belief is that rather than us saving all these refugees, why don't we look at who is causing the problems, why these people are being killed and if there is anything we can do to stop them. We could save every single refugee right now, but tomorrow, there will be just as many more. We have to look at why this is happening if we really want to help.

This is basically my opinion from 10 days ago, and this was before I even heard about that report from ISIS back in Feb, where they said they were going to send in 50,000 of their soldiers or whatever. Whatever we do, we just need to be careful. If we let people in, we have to watch them 24/7... We have no idea who most of these people are. They could be anyone. I wouldn't turn my back on someone who needed help, but when ISIS are involved, you can never be too careful.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Accepting 20,000 people would be negligible cost in the grand scheme of things though. The cuts are not just about saving money but also ensuring that the money the government does spend is well allocated and this is a worthy cause imo. In fact it's already budgeted for really because the foreign aid budget is going to be used to support the intake.

I also don't see why it can't work as a permanent thing? People seem to have the impression that Syrians are good for nothings who will need to be propped up by the taxpayer their whole lives. In fact many of them are well educated, well-spoken and would have had solid professions in their home countries before the war. These are teachers, engineers, students etc. who have had a once normal existence completely destroyed.

A lot of Syrians definitely ARE "well educated, well-spoken and would have had solid professions in their home countries before the war" and more to the point ARE GENUINE refugees, unlike the millions of immigrants already resident here courtesy of our ludicrous EU membership and previously lax Immigration Control - most of whom are employed in organized crime, car washing, or on benefits.

Oh - and another excellent post MTVN.

[Kizzy]

A wise man once said ''If we can find the money to kill people, we can find the money to help people.”

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

A wise man once said ''If we can find the money to kill people, we can find the money to help people.”

It is the year 2021, and now we cannot find that 'wise man' because he is lost among the 145 million people within the UK, or probably been beheaded by one of the Great Caliph of The UK's troops.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is the year 2021, and now we cannot find that 'wise man' because he is lost among the 145 million people within the UK, or probably been beheaded by one of the Great Caliph of The UK's troops.

Hmmm they have done a number on you and no mistake, fear factor 1000

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hmmm they have done a number on you and no mistake, fear factor 1000

[DemolitionRed]

Some days ago I signed the 'accept more asylum seekers' on a parliamentary petition. At the time, this particular petition had 419, 678 signatures. The 'stop more asylum seekers' petition, in contrast, had attracted 41, 897 signatures, so the 'stop' petition was out-numbered by the 'allow' petition by a ratio of almost 10:1.

All petitions on the UK Government and Parliament website can only be voted on once, and only by British citizens and UK residents.

It seems that the majority of the British public strongly disagree with some of the comments written on here

Toy-soldier, Kizzy and JoshBB's, I've read all your posts on this thread and commend all three of you for sticking it out in such a small minority group. Its comforting to understand that most of us Brits think like you do