[smudgie]

I am quite happy for them to check my Tesco shopping list if it keeps us safe.
They are not interested in us boring normal people going about our normal boring lives, it is to stop the likes of the idiot jailed today for 8 years

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I am quite happy for them to check my Tesco shopping list if it keeps us safe.
They are not interested in us boring normal people going about our normal boring lives, it is to stop the likes of the idiot jailed today for 8 years

It's not going to help, surrendering our rights to privacy won't help us put an end to terrorism. They're just using the ol' T word to scare people into agreeing to give up their rights.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not going to help, surrendering our rights to privacy won't help us put an end to terrorism. They're just using the ol' T word to scare people into agreeing to give up their rights.

I agree that it certainly can lead to us surrendering our privacy. I also think that linking terrorists in with paedophiles is very dodgy and trying to grab public support.


It may be we need better methods of detection, but that should be evaluated if we are actually subjected to further attacks in the future, where proper lessons can be learned. At the moment, i don't see a need for it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I agree that it certainly can lead to us surrendering our privacy. I also think that linking terrorists in with paedophiles is very dodgy and trying to grab public support.


It may be we need better methods of detection, but that should be evaluated if we are actually subjected to further attacks in the future, where proper lessons can be learned. At the moment, i don't see a need for it.

Cameron linked those same words last year when he gave a speech about exciting the European Court of Human rights. In April 2014, the Court of Human Rights told the EU that its directive was illegal and a breach of human rights.

He's just repeating now what he said last year but this time he's doing so by proxy.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not going to help, surrendering our rights to privacy won't help us put an end to terrorism. They're just using the ol' T word to scare people into agreeing to give up their rights.

Again, I agree.

This is something where once the door is opened to it, then it will be almost impossible to close again.

I'm not in favour of it at all.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not going to help, surrendering our rights to privacy won't help us put an end to terrorism. They're just using the ol' T word to scare people into agreeing to give up their rights.

I really don't think they would be interested in me of mine Dezzy, we are too boring.
I can understand younger people worrying about it, civil liberties and all that, but if just doesn't bother me as an indvidual.

[bots]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I really don't think they would be interested in me of mine Dezzy, we are too boring.
I can understand younger people worrying about it, civil liberties and all that, but if just doesn't bother me as an indvidual.

The problem is not particularly one piece of information on its own. Its the combination of data that they collect from a now huge resource pool and the fact that it can be used for purposes outside that which it was intended. Also, as no data is safe and secure, it can be fraudulently manipulated meaning that if someone in power decides they want to target an individual, they make the data match the offence they want you to have committed.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem is not particularly one piece of information on its own. Its the combination of data that they collect from a now huge resource pool and the fact that it can be used for purposes outside that which it was intended. Also, as no data is safe and secure, it can be fraudulently manipulated meaning that if someone in power decides they want to target an individual, they make the data match the offence they want you to have committed.

My biggest worry is all the ruddy spam emails I get, no doubt due to people sharing my data.