[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

well only in as much as we are part of europe, because of the free travel within europe once you are in, all the european borders become a concern

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

But where did BitOnTheSlide say that Kizzy? He was merely and rightfully pointing out the problem to the UK that the Schengen Agreement causes.

I personally feel that we have a duty of common sense to 'monitor the rest of the world'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But where did BitOnTheSlide say that Kizzy? He was merely and rightfully pointing out the problem to the UK that the Schengen Agreement causes.

I personally feel that we have a duty of common sense to 'monitor the rest of the world'.

Yes I know you do.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

Just to clarify the process and the context. Someone outside of europe can apply for a Schengen visa, at any country that is within that system. Once that visa is granted, the person can then choose to travel to any other country in europe within the Schengen system. The current list of countries in the Schengen agreement is:

- Austria
- Belgium
- Czech Republic
- Denmark
- Estonia
- Finland
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Iceland (not a European Union Member State)
- Italy
- Latvia
- Liechtenstein (not a European Union Member State)
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Netherlands
- Norway (not a European Union Member State)
- Poland
- Portugal
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Sweden
- Swiss (not a European Union Member State)


Typically, people trying to get a visa apply to the one with the minimum restrictions, that was Finland I think, not sure if that is still the case. The UK is not part of the Schengen system, so while someone may have a visa to travel to France through Schengen, that does not grant them access to the UK, which is why problems arise.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Just to clarify the process and the context. Someone outside of europe can apply for a Schengen visa, at any country that is within that system. Once that visa is granted, the person can then choose to travel to any other country in europe within the Schengen system. The current list of countries in the Schengen agreement is:

- Austria
- Belgium
- Czech Republic
- Denmark
- Estonia
- Finland
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Iceland (not a European Union Member State)
- Italy
- Latvia
- Liechtenstein (not a European Union Member State)
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Netherlands
- Norway (not a European Union Member State)
- Poland
- Portugal
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Sweden
- Swiss (not a European Union Member State)


Typically, people trying to get a visa apply to the one with the minimum restrictions, that was Finland I think, not sure if that is still the case. The UK is not part of the Schengen system, so while someone may have a visa to travel to France through Schengen, that does not grant them access to the UK, which is why problems arise.

If that were the case since the mid 80s there would be more non EU nationals in the UK currently than there are.