[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Why did Austin say what he did? He did it because he felt terribly betrayed by a person who he genuinely thought was his friend and has turned out to be a cunning weasel.

Austin took it out on Janice, wrongly, but he wanted her to feel his pain, not realizing that a self absorbed cow like her doesn't feel anything. She just manipulates situations and disappears back into her own little world.

I don't call someone names because I feel betrayed by someone else. I call them names because I mean it. He has no right to make Janice 'feel his pain'. He was out of order plain and simple and it bears no reflection at all on James nomination.
And how do you know she feels nothing? What a presumption! And still its no excuse for what he sad.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf I can't blame Beetlejuice for thinking that about anyone seriously siding with James on this.

I'm not saying that people have to go off James and start supporting Austin for it, but a bit of honesty that James was out of order in this particular incident would be nice.

We don't want another John James scenario again where he became untouchable whilst everyone else had to follow certain standards.

That's the thing, almost everyone who is sympathetic with Austin can admit that he was way over the top tonight. And also in the past. But those supporting Janice and James have to act like there's nothing dodgy about James nominating Austin at all, and seriously talk of Janice as just this poor elderly woman, when 4 people tonight nominated her for being "manipulative". Something so obvious it's amazing anyone disputes it.

[Beso]

the majority of voters .... James has never been up you stupid twonk

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't call someone names because I feel betrayed by someone else.

You're not on Big Brother either. So what? No one is justifying Austin's reaction, just explaining where it was coming from.

I call them names because I mean it. He has no right to make Janice 'feel his pain'. He was out of order plain and simple and it bears no reflection at all on James nomination.

Yes, he was and everyone admits that. but some of you refuse to admit Janice is a highly manipulative person who purposely fails tasks to get the spotlight regardless of what the consequences are for others, which happened to be for Austin last night. He was desperate for his letter from home and she just threw at him and then pretended to be sorry for it. She was nothing of the sort.

And how do you know she feels nothing? What a presumption! And still its no excuse for what he sad.

I have not seen one bit of evidence that that woman cares about anyone or anything other than herself. And Austin, Bobby and Sherrie all nominated her for essentially this reason.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by parmnion

the majority of voters .... James has never been up you stupid twonk

He was up last time you moron.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm the wrong one to ask about those past scenarios. I can't remember the details at all. Maybe someone else can help, sorry!

Dappy nominated his friend Luisa due to an argument that they had the day before.

And Ashleigh nominated Christopher I think after the argument where she said “I'll smash your head through a mirror if you start with me.”

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He was up last time you moron.

you're making assumption after assumption and stating them as facts all for 2 prancing pricks and you have the audacity to call ME a moron

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He was up last time you moron.

you're making assumption after assumption and stating them as facts all for 2 prancing pricks, and you have the audacity to call ME a moron

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by parmnion

you're making assumption after assumption and stating them as facts all for 2 prancing pricks, and you have the audacity to call ME a moron

I called you a moron in response to your comment.

the majority of voters .... James has never been up you stupid twonk

That would be the one. Inaccurate, insulting and moronic.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

That's the thing, almost everyone who is sympathetic with Austin can admit that he was way over the top tonight. And also in the past. But those supporting Janice and James have to act like there's nothing dodgy about James nominating Austin at all, and seriously talk of Janice as just this poor elderly woman, when 4 people tonight nominated her for being "manipulative". Something so obvious it's amazing anyone disputes it.

I agree with all that you've said in this post.

Tbf I don't think that Janice did much wrong tonight, but she has antagonised him on other occasions.

And Austin hasn't really done anything wrong to James to warrant what James did to him tonight.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I called you a moron in response to your inaccurate and insulting comment.

how do you know he has the majority vote smart ass?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He was hurt by the betrayal by his friend and wanted the manipulative bitch that is Janice to feel some of it. A silly thing to do, but look at the state he got himself into for it... That was real remorse, and deep shame you saw in him. Compare that to Janice, who has acted every step of the way with every emotion she's ever shown. Not to mention James, who sat there cold as ice throughout it all.

Why wasn't he honest enough and man enough to hurl his abuse at James instead of taking it out on an elderly woman who had hardly did a thing to provoke it? When Natasha yelled at him his face was a picture and it shut him up pronto!
And I don't agree that it was real remorse or shame, he was just being self pitying. He was in a state though, and I did feel for him. He has a lot of growing up to do, and the comparison between James's maturity and his immaturity is quite startling, given they are around the same age.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

You're not on Big Brother either. So what? No one is justifying Austin's reaction, just explaining where it was coming from.




Yes, he was and everyone admits that. but some of you refuse to admit Janice is a highly manipulative person who purposely fails tasks to get the spotlight regardless of what the consequences are for others, which happened to be for Austin last night. He was desperate for his letter from home and she just threw at him and then pretended to be sorry for it. She was nothing of the sort.



I have not seen one bit of evidence that that woman cares about anyone or anything other than herself. And Austin, Bobby and Sherrie all nominated her for essentially this reason.

I don't give a flying fcuk whether Janice is manipulative or not. It doesn't matter to me, I don't care. It has no bearing on the voile things that were said to her. If she is or she isn't does not invite the tirade of vitriole Austin gave. It was uncalled for.

If you want to talk manipulative, look at Jenna, she is the most manipulative person in the house.

Also if Austin spoke to me the way he has to Janice many times, I'd throw the letter at him too, shame they didn't have to eat them.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jet

Why wasn't he honest enough and man enough to hurl his abuse at James

He did. He called him a ball-less bitch.

instead of taking it out on an elderly woman who had hardly did a thing to provoke it?

She had thrown his letter right at him last night after having lost it in her latest attempt to get some attention for herself by playing the dozy old bat. He was angry that whilst Jenna, Sherrie and Bobby could all see her for what she is, James only cared that "she had never done anything" to him and so nominated his best friend instead, after he's lost his letter from home. And apparently all for Austin's own good, despite the fact that James had no idea it would be shown to the house, and Austin wouldn't see it until he was out.

When Natasha yelled at him his face was a picture and it shut him up pronto!

And? She just looked like a moron to me.

And I don't agree that it was real remorse or shame, he was just being self pitying. He was in a state though, and I did feel for him.

He was in a state because he felt shame.

He has a lot of growing up to do, and the comparison between James's maturity and his immaturity is quite startling, given they are around the same age.

James is a cold fish, and being very calculating. Call it maturity if you want, I just see a slimeball. And as for immature... Take a good look at Janice.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't give a flying fcuk whether Janice is manipulative or not.

I know you don't because the context doesn't matter. You just want to condemn someone.

It doesn't matter to me, I don't care. It has no bearing on the voile things that were said to her. If she is or she isn't does not invite the tirade of vitriole Austin gave. It was uncalled for.

And everyone accepts that.

If you want to talk manipulative, look at Jenna, she is the most manipulative person in the house.

Also if Austin spoke to me the way he has to Janice many times, I'd throw the letter at him too, shame they didn't have to eat them.

He talks to her the way he does because of the way she contrives situations, manipulates people and then pretends she's not doing it on purpose. He sees through her. You on the other hand don't care about the truth about Janice, as you've said.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He did. He called him a ball-less bitch.



She had thrown his letter right at him last night after having lost it in her latest attempt to get some attention for herself by playing the dozy old bat.




And? She just looked like a moron to me.



He was in a state because he felt shame.



James is a cold fish, and being very calculating. Call it maturity if you want, I just see a slimeball. And as for immature... Take a good look at Janice.

Calling James a ball - less bitch was hardly hurling a torrent of horrendous abuse like he did with Janice...and he started on Janice TONIGHT when she didn't even say anything to warrant it....really your excuses for Austin are getting more and more ridiculous and it's just tiresome now....

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I know you don't because the context doesn't matter. You just want to condemn someone.

Again making presumptions because I dont agree with your trying to put the inexcusable into an invented context. This is rather similar to what Austin does


And everyone accepts that.




He talks to her the way he does because of the way she contrives situations, manipulates people and then pretends she's not doing it on purpose. He sees through her. You on the other hand don't care about the truth about Janice, as you've said.

Again making excuses.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jet

Calling James a ball - less bitch was hardly hurling abuse like he did with Janice...and he started on Janice TONIGHT when she didn't even say anything to warrant it

He walked in, angry, and heard her talking about him and that set him off. Why James even brought Janice into it I have no idea, other than him just being slimy again.

....really your excuses for Austin are getting more and more ridiculous and it's just tiresome now....

How many ****ing times do I have to say I am not excusing his behaviour tonight? I am explaining where he was probably coming from and also pointing out the betrayal by James and what an odious creature Janice is.

Again and again, those of us sympathetic with Austin will concede he was out of order saying what he did. But those of you who only wish to condemn him will not see what James did, how it could effect a person and you turn a blind eye to just how awful Janice is, despite the fact that both Bobby and Sherrie have said it tonight as well.

This is the problem, whilst I can concede Austin was out of line, a lot of you are painting a perfect picture of James and Janice, and it is nauseating in the extreme. The housemates themselves have Janice sussed, and it amazes me that people can watch James give this cock and bull explanations and not see through him at all.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Again making excuses.

I'm not making excuses. His attack on her tonight was too much. His attacks on her in the past have been totally warranted imo.

Care to admit what Bobby and Sherrie have said about her, what a manipulative cow she is? Can you do it? Doubt it.

Care to even express some doubt about Saint Slimeball? Can you do it? Doubt it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

Calling James a ball - less bitch was hardly hurling a torrent of horrendous abuse like he did with Janice...and he started on Janice TONIGHT when she didn't even say anything to warrant it....really your excuses for Austin are getting more and more ridiculous and it's just tiresome now....

Have you thought that Austin didn't go too far with James because he still actually sees James as a friend?

I can't believe that people are pretending that James has a leg to stand on, it needs to stop as it's making James into one of those Housemates that can do anything and people are expected to just lap it up, neutral voters will not like that as it's happened with Farrah, Jenna, and Austin now where his self-righteous and sometimes downright disgusting behaviour has been let off.

[Beso]

James is a piece of crap who caused all of this.

That must be the worst ever excuse for a hms behaviour i have ever seen in my life.

The way austin grabbed that letter from janice was all james fault!
The sudden outburst calling her an unfit and a disgrace as well as a **** was all james fault.

You think people forgive james behaviour because hes a pretty boy, maybe thats why you dislike his behaviour? Not that he has done anything wrong.

Austin should be gratefull james is so forgiving and still man enough to talk to him, cause for me austins pathetic need to cackle after everything he says would be enough for me to evict his stupid pant waring ass out of there..but no james has put up with his loud mouth wankerisms and his ignorance since the start.

Until he took it to far amd started verging on aggression, then james tried to tell him but austin cant be told because he's an ignorant arsehole.

This is why he got nominated.

Anyway, even if it wasnt and even if james is playing some master game!! so what, the shows build as uk v usa, isnt the point to get out the so called oppositions stronger members.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I'm not making excuses. His attack on her tonight was too much. His attacks on her in the past have been totally warranted imo.

Care to admit what Bobby and Sherrie have said about her, what a manipulative cow she is? Can you do it? Doubt it.

Care to even express some doubt about Saint Slimeball? Can you do it? Doubt it.

Re Bobby & Sherrie, he said, she said, you are confusing me with someone who cares or feels that has any relevance to an unprovoked verbal attack on Janice. Their opinions of Janice have no bearing on this at all. Or are you saying because someone thinks she's manipulative tyen its ok to verbally abuae her? If you are why not just spit it out instead of hedging. IMO Janice plays the game and she plays it well, that doesn't give anyone be the right to attack her parenting, talk about her displaying her body or call her a c u nxt t.

Re James I have no doubt to express. I am happy in my opinion of him and his motivation.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by parmnion

James is a piece of crap who caused all of this.

That must be the worst ever excuse for a hms behaviour i have ever seen in my life.

Oh, you're back again.

The way austin grabbed that letter from janice was all james fault!

That happened last night.

The sudden outburst calling her an unfit and a disgrace as well as a **** was all james fault.

His betrayal certainly led to Austin's meltdown. That's indisputable.

You think people forgive james behaviour because hes a pretty boy, maybe thats why you dislike his behaviour? Not that he has done anything wrong.

Apart from betraying his friend and trying to manipulate the public.

Austin should be gratefull james is so forgiving and still man enough to talk to him, cause for me austins pathetic need to cackle after everything he says would be enough for me to evict his stupid pant waring ass out of there..but no james has put up with his loud mouth wankerisms and his ignorance since the start.

Until he took it to far amd started verging on aggression, then james tried to tell him but austin cant be told because he's an ignorant arsehole.

This is why he got nominated.

If you say so. Alternatively, James is the slimeball more and more people are realizing he is.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Re Bobby & Sherrie, he said, she said, you are confusing me with someone who cares or feels that has any relevance to an unprovoked verbal attack on Janice

No, no, we've established that you don't care about the context and just wish to condemn a person.

Their opinions of Janice have no bearing on this at all. Or are you saying because someone thinks she's manipulative tyen its ok to verbally abuae her?

No, I'm saying he verbally abused her because he correctly sees her as a manipulative old witch. That doesn't justify him saying what he did, but it is the explanation for it. Unfortunately you can't admit that Janice is a terrible person, because you think that might in some way make Austin slightly less worse than you want to believe he is.

If you are why not just spit it out instead of hedging. IMO Janice plays the game and she plays it well, that doesn't give anyone be the right to a5ack her parenting, talk about her displaying her body or call her a c u nxt t.

It's funny to me how "she/he plays the game" is trotted out to just dismiss any criticisms of certain housemates. Yes she does play a game, and the person who has been caught up in her playing the game the most has been Austin. Most notably when she, having purposely failed that task, threw his letter at him and then pretended to cry about it afterwards. Austin still seething over that, took his frustration out on her. What he said was wrong, but that is why he attacked her. You can't just act like it's an isolated event and there's no context to it and that Janice is a poor innocent victim.

[Beso]

More and more people....

Hold on a minute, didnt you just randomly claim he had the majority vote.

Ps, you dont make it very easy to converse by quoting so much and saying so little.