[jet]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He walked in, angry, and heard her talking about him and that set him off. Why James even brought Janice into it I have no idea, other than him just being slimy again.



How many ****ing times do I have to say I am not excusing his behaviour tonight? I am explaining where he was probably coming from and also pointing out the betrayal by James and what an odious creature Janice is.

Again and again, those of us sympathetic with Austin will concede he was out of order saying what he did. But those of you who only wish to condemn him will not see what James did, how it could effect a person and you turn a blind eye to just how awful Janice is, despite the fact that both Bobby and Sherrie have said it tonight as well.

This is the problem, whilst I can concede Austin was out of line, a lot of you are painting a perfect picture of James and Janice, and it is nauseating in the extreme. The housemates themselves have Janice sussed, and it amazes me that people can watch James give this cock and bull explanations and not see through him at all.

I can see how it would affect Austin but the difference is I don't use it as an excuse for how he hurled such abuse at Janice instead of the person he was really angry at - James. I also don't see Janice as being awful, I see her as as eccentric and a bit batty and I like her. You like Austin despite his faults, I like Janice despite hers. I think James was right to nominate whoever he pleased and I have no reason to suspect his motives as it is more likely that the public will go against him for his decision and he would know that. I fully expect Austin to be there for the final so will you calm the F down and take a chill pill ffs.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jet

I can see how it would affect Austin but the difference is I don't use it as an excuse for how he hurled such abuse at Janice instead of the person he was really angry at - James.

I'm going to say this one more time and then I'm done with you. No one is excusing what he said.

He was hurt by James and probably still angry about Janice from the previous night.

I also don't see Janice as being awful, I see her as as eccentric and a bit batty and I like her.

Well, fine. That's another person you can't see through, even when housemates such as Bobby and Sherrie are nominating her for being manipulative. Daniel Baldwin said that she does this act on every reality show, and it is an act. An act to hide behind as she goes about manipulating people, which is awful behaviour.

You like Austin despite his faults, I like Janice despite hers.

You won't even admit hers. You just think she's eccentric. Nonsense. She's pure poison.

I think James was right to nominate whoever he pleased

I'm sorry I just can't debate with someone who writes such innocuous drivel. Goodbye.

[Beso]

Beetlejuice....you are aware you are excusing austins behaviour in the title of the thread ffs

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

No, no, we've established that you don't care about the context and just wish to condemn a person.




No, I'm saying he verbally abused her because he correctly sees her as a manipulative old witch. That doesn't justify him saying what he did, but it is the explanation for it. Unfortunately you can't admit that Janice is a terrible person, because you think that might in some way make Austin slightly less worse than you want to believe he is.




It's funny to me how "she/he plays the game" is trotted out to just dismiss any criticisms of certain housemates. Yes she does play a game, and the person who has been caught up in her playing the game the most has been Austin. Most notably when she, having purposely failed that task, threw his letter at him and then pretended to cry about it afterwards. Austin still seething over that, took his frustration out on her. What he said was wrong, but that is why he attacked her. You can't just act like it's an isolated event and there's no context to it and that Janice is a poor innocent victim.

What amuses me intensely is that you presume to know what I think, who I like and dislike and so on. You assume I am a fan of this one or that and not a fan of others with absolutely no understanding of my opinion at all. Austin was one of my favourites but like James, I can't support that attack on Janice because wrong is wrong. No excuses.

There is no justification, no why for an attack like that. I do condemn him for his nasty attack on Janice yes. It was not deserved. You speak about people not admitting she is this or that. The real problem is you can't accept people have opinions that differ from yours. That's a bit sad.

I'd love to stay up all night and disagree with someone who doesn't listen but I think I'll head off to bed instead. Sweet dreams.

[Beso]

Third post in you call bobby an idiot yet suddenly he's a ****ing genius because he nominated janice..

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

James is a piece of crap who caused all of this.

That must be the worst ever excuse for a hms behaviour i have ever seen in my life.

The way austin grabbed that letter from janice was all james fault!
The sudden outburst calling her an unfit and a disgrace as well as a **** was all james fault.

You think people forgive james behaviour because hes a pretty boy, maybe thats why you dislike his behaviour? Not that he has done anything wrong.

Austin should be gratefull james is so forgiving and still man enough to talk to him, cause for me austins pathetic need to cackle after everything he says would be enough for me to evict his stupid pant waring ass out of there..but no james has put up with his loud mouth wankerisms and his ignorance since the start.

Until he took it to far amd started verging on aggression, then james tried to tell him but austin cant be told because he's an ignorant arsehole.

This is why he got nominated.

Anyway, even if it wasnt and even if james is playing some master game!! so what, the shows build as uk v usa, isnt the point to get out the so called oppositions stronger members.

If James wasn't acting so self-righteous after playing the game then it might actually be funny to watch, as it is it's annoying seeing him getting away with everything.

And yes it's annoying that when the pretty boys are in the wrong (which yes it's what James was tonight) then it's annoying that the pretty boys get off scott free when we've seen the pretty blonde girl in BB15 get abuse for hers, and the skinny Greek origin guy get abuse for their betrayals in their series, and they weren't even as close to who they nominated in their individual series as James is to Austin.

Imo what James did tonight is like Victor or Jason nominating each other in BB5.

[LukeB]

James has done nothing wrong, austin has been really vile towards Janice and James wasn't okay with that.. He isn't close with Jenna because Jenna was going to nominate him once so hypocrite. Jenna and Austin ganged up on James the day before nominations.. A friend doesn't always have to take your side when you have been vile.. They have not even known each other that long

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If James wasn't acting so self-righteous after playing the game then it might actually be funny to watch, as it is it's annoying seeing him getting away with everything.

And yes it's annoying that when the pretty boys are in the wrong (which yes it's what James was tonight) then it's annoying that the pretty boys get off scott free when we've seen the pretty blonde girl in BB15 get abuse for hers, and the skinny Greek origin guy get abuse for their betrayals in their series, and they weren't even as close to who they nominated in their individual series as James is to Austin.

Imo what James did tonight is like Victor or Jason nominating each other in BB5.

James's point is the fact that no one else in the house has done anything that directly effected him so he could only nominate the 2 people who had which were jenna and james. Both of whom had a right team meeting before both of them rounded on him at once.

The bloke should be commended for keeping it real.

[Mystic Mock]

People are attacking Jenna for wanting to nominate James before they was allies.

And how is James in the right for Austin insulting Janice? Don't tell me that people are buying James's bull**** that his doing on behalf of Janice do you guys?

[Mystic Mock]

People are attacking Jenna for wanting to nominate James before they was allies.

And how is James in the right for Austin insulting Janice? Don't tell me that people are buying James's bull**** that his doing it on behalf of Janice do you guys?

And at least with Jenna she has let the public know that she's a gameplayer, unlike this sneaky, smarmy, prick.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

James's point is the fact that no one else in the house has done anything that directly effected him so he could only nominate the 2 people who had which were jenna and james. Both of whom had a right team meeting before both of them rounded on him at once.

The bloke should be commended for keeping it real.

You're suppose to nominate the two Housemates that you get on with the least in the house.

As he claims that his close to Austin that makes him fake as he can't have it both ways when there was 7 other people to choose from.

[LukeB]

Not James's fault Austin gave him a reasons to nominate the twit

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You're suppose to nominate the two Housemates that you get on with the least in the house.

As he claims that his close to Austin that makes him fake as he can't have it both ways when there was 7 other people to choose from.

When the hell was that introduced into the bb rule book for christ sake.

You couldnt make this **** up, comical absolutely comical.

Ps, 1 other to chose from seeing as its uk v usa.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Not James's fault Austin gave him a reasons to nominate the twit

You could nominate every single one of them in there.

Austin - For being too aggressive in arguments that it makes you feel uncomfortable.

Janice - A sly manipulator that's very hard to live with, with all of her theatrics.

James - For behaving like a Robot, and being too self-righteous in arguments even when his wrong.

Bobby - Too creepy with his laugh, and the way he spoke to Farrah was disgusting.

Natasha - Cold & distant from most of the house, and has a constant scowl on her face.

Stevi & Chloe - Both annoying.

Sherrie - She's too quiet.

Nobody is without reasons to nominate them, but James simply got scared of upsetting certain sections of the audience after his big speech after saving Janice on Friday.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

When the hell was that introduced into the bb rule book for christ sake.

You couldnt make this **** up, comical absolutely comical.

Ps, 1 other to chose from seeing as its uk v usa.

It's just a desperate attempt to excuse the unexcusable and deflect the horrid behaviour onto another housemate. I was a fan of Austin's but his behaviour changed that for me. While I can sympathize with his situation, there is no excusing it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

When the hell was that introduced into the bb rule book for christ sake.

You couldnt make this **** up, comical absolutely comical.

Ps, 1 other to chose from seeing as its uk v usa.

Wtf it's always been apart of the show that you nominate the two people that you don't get along with in the house.

But James has bent the rules and then acts self-righteous afterwards, he can't have his Cake and eat it, he either wants to be self-righteous like Pete Bennett, or a great villain like Victor, he can't be both.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Stormy

It's just a desperate attempt to excuse the unexcusable and deflect the horrid behaviour onto another housemate. I was a fan of Austin's but his behaviour changed that for me. While I can sympathize with his situation, there is no excusing it.

Same, the aggression towards janice did it for me.

Still chuckled with him on the live feed though when they were doing her voice whilst trying to stop her snoring.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Stormy

It's just a desperate attempt to excuse the unexcusable and deflect the horrid behaviour onto another housemate. I was a fan of Austin's but his behaviour changed that for me. While I can sympathize with his situation, there is no excusing it.

Other people keep bringing Austin's behaviour on Janice into it (which I've agreed was out of order) what else do you want?

People keep using that argument on Janice in last nights show as a reason to defend James's betrayal or Natasha and Bobby getting involved, it doesn't excuse any of them and it makes them out of order just as much for their involvement as it does on what Austin said to Janice.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Wtf it's always been apart of the show that you nominate the two people that you don't get along with in the house.

But James has bent the rules and then acts self-righteous afterwards, he can't have his Cake and eat it, he either wants to be self-righteous like Pete Bennett, or a great villain like Victor, he can't be both.

Mate please, you're killing me.

Its a gameshow you win money on..it has gameplayers.

On the other hand, do they just cancel nominations when everyones best mates!


No, no they ****ing don't.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Other people keep bringing Austin's behaviour on Janice into it (which I've agreed was out of order) what else do you want?

People keep using that argument on Janice in last nights show as a reason to defend James's betrayal or Natasha and Bobby getting involved, it doesn't excuse any of them and it makes them out of order just as much for their involvement as it does on what Austin said to Janice.

I've never supported the dumb things that Janice has done. I'm also not sure if she's calculated or a bit ditzy. I suspect it's a bit of both. In the scheme of things it does not equal the magnitude of Austin's behaviour. Not even close.

Remember Janice is his fourth 'victim'. He went off on Farrah, Chloe and Stevie, before her. It's only Farrah, that I gave him a pass on because she gave as good as she got. The others did not. And I suspect that Jenna fired him up against Janice...big time.

I believe that James is being vilified for 'turning on a friend' to try and deflect from Austin's behaviour and some how make it ok.

James is stuck in trying to be honorable. I admit it is a bit pompus and egotistical of him, but it comes from a good place and it does annoy me when Austin fans try to vilify him, unnecessarily.

I don't hate Austin...I feel for him, actually....he is a good person....but has a vile temper that Jenna takes advantage of.

I despise Jenna because she took an emotionally vulnerable player, like Austin, and fueled his fire with Janice. His short fuse and vile outbursts on Janice were the result of Jenna feeding negative and hateful things about her to him. She really caused the fracture between him and James then sits back and lets him take all the heat while she tries comes out better than him.

Austin can't win anymore, but I would love to see him stay and Jenna leave....so we'll have a few more days of the fun Austin and he could at least redeem himself.

[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by Adam_bb

Seconded

I third it.

Austin is to blame for his own actions. If he decided to trash the kitchen or smash the place up, then it would be HIS actions and no one else would be to blame other than himself.


He said those things to Janice because he's a splenetic person. No way is James to blame for his stupidity.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by BB4fan

I third it.

Austin is to blame for his own actions. If he decided to trash the kitchen or smash the place up, then it would be HIS actions and no one else would be to blame other than himself.


He said those things to Janice because he's a splenetic person. No way is James to blame for his stupidity.

"Splenetic"...love it! I rarely see that word used.

[Beso]

Wish i knew what it meant.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mate please, you're killing me.

Its a gameshow you win money on..it has gameplayers.

On the other hand, do they just cancel nominations when everyones best mates!


No, no they ****ing don't.

Yes and what do gameplayers do? They own it and tell the public, not cry foul when they make a betrayal and the other Housemate fights back.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BB4fan

I third it.

Austin is to blame for his own actions. If he decided to trash the kitchen or smash the place up, then it would be HIS actions and no one else would be to blame other than himself.


He said those things to Janice because he's a splenetic person. No way is James to blame for his stupidity.

But James isn't getting abuse for the Janice thing by most of the Austin fans, it's the fact that he nominated him and then doesn't expect Austin to be upset about it that makes him in the wrong and a disgrace.