[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But its good that JoshBB is in here putting the other side of the argument up. I have respect for that and us old ones can always learn a lot from youth

(not that any of the women on here are old )

I respect Josh for having an opinion and sharing it even when many others don't agree with him. I also respect his passion for multiculturalism. He is fighting the good fight, I just don't agree with the ways in which he does it, he acts as if every little thing is racist and that is not good for anyone.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is exactly what is happening in the UK Dollface - the silent majority KNOW the truth but dare not speak it because of exactly the reasons which you have given as why you (and a lot of other members) do not come onto Serious Debates -- Being falsely accused of Racism, Xenophobia or some other 'ism' or 'phobia.

And it is a great shame.

I may only be 15.. but if I've learned anything it's that the only way hatred is accepted and spread is when it's referred to as 'truth'. Not to breach Godwin's Law or anything.. but it's exactly how Hitler did it. (of course the racism is nowhere near as extreme as his, but still)

Originally Posted by Dollface

I respect Josh for having an opinion and sharing it even when many others don't agree with him. I also respect his passion for multiculturalism. He is fighting the good fight, I just don't agree with the ways in which he does it, he acts as if every little thing is racist and that is not good for anyone.

I honestly fail to see how prejudice and stereotyping of an ethnic group isn't racist, and my intention is not to label people and shame them but to hopefully change attitudes. I hate racism and have seen friends face it, with one of my closest friends having to move from his street and consequently school because his neighbours were constantly racist to his parents (they're asian). I've also seen teachers visibly upset because they've been called a terrorist literally only for wearing a hijab when they're literally the happiest and one of the most kind and caring teachers in my whole school.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I honestly fail to see how prejudice and stereotyping of an ethnic group isn't racist, and my intention is not to label people and shame them but to hopefully change attitudes. I hate racism and have seen friends face it, with one of my closest friends having to move from his street and consequently school because his neighbours were constantly racist to his parents (they're asian). I've also seen teachers visibly upset because they've been called a terrorist literally only for wearing a hijab when they're literally the happiest and one of the most kind and caring teachers in my whole school.

All I ever see from you is labeling and attempting to shame people. Being labelled a racist is incredibly insulting and insinuating someone is a racist is quite serious. If you did this sort of thing in the real world you could end up getting yourself in trouble (for example, if you labelled someone a racist at work, he/she could take you to court for it)

The way your friend and teachers were treated is disgusting, but those people (the ones who verbally abused them) are the type of people you should be saying this sort of stuff to. My year at school only had 1 Indian girl, 1 Muslim girl and 1 Black girl and I was friends with and loved them all (especially the indian girl, she was hilarious) and if anyone treated them the way your friend was treated I would have been so angry so I can get where your anger comes from, but it seems misplaced.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Dollface

All I ever see from you is labeling and attempting to shame people. Being labelled a racist is incredibly insulting and insinuating someone is a racist is quite serious. If you did this sort of thing in the real world you could end up getting yourself in trouble (for example, if you labelled someone a racist at work, he/she could take you to court for it)

The way your friend and teachers were treated is disgusting, but those people (the ones who verbally abused them) are the type of people you should be saying this sort of stuff to. My year at school only had 1 Indian girl, 1 Muslim girl and 1 Black girl and I was friends with and loved them all (especially the indian girl, she was hilarious) and if anyone treated them the way your friend was treated I would have been so angry so I can get where your anger comes from, but it seems misplaced.

Last thing I would want is for people to feel ashamed of themselves, that's everything I stand against and is the basis for which I usually label racist comments as prejudiced. Anything I've said was because the posts on here striked me as particularly racist against the Romani ethnic group and I was actually quite upset reading some of the things on here. I don't know any romani people personally but they are human beings just like me and you, and nobody deserves to be labelled and shamed as a criminal just because of their ethnicity.

I can relate to your story by the way. Seems that most of my friends are minorities too and they're all lovely people

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Last thing I would want is for people to feel ashamed of themselves, that's everything I stand against and is the basis for which I usually label racist comments as prejudiced. Anything I've said was because the posts on here striked me as particularly racist against the Romani ethnic group and I was actually quite upset reading some of the things on here. I don't know any romani people personally but they are human beings just like me and you, and nobody deserves to be labelled and shamed as a criminal just because of their ethnicity.

I can relate to your story by the way. Seems that most of my friends are minorities too and they're all lovely people

And THERE we have it Josh. You have NO direct experience of the type of people in the OP, yet you not only deny the evidence presented on tape and in the written word, but you also deny the first hand testimony of those who HAVE direct experience.

You cannot be taken serious. In a court trial you would be laughed out of court opposing such evidence with 'a feeling, a thought, a fancy'.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Last thing I would want is for people to feel ashamed of themselves, that's everything I stand against and is the basis for which I usually label racist comments as prejudiced. Anything I've said was because the posts on here striked me as particularly racist against the Romani ethnic group and I was actually quite upset reading some of the things on here. I don't know any romani people personally but they are human beings just like me and you, and nobody deserves to be labelled and shamed as a criminal just because of their ethnicity.

I can relate to your story by the way. Seems that most of my friends are minorities too and they're all lovely people

I'm a bit confused as to what a Romani person is, in all honesty. I always thought Romani = Gypsy = Someone who lives in a caravan ? But from the looks of things they're an ethnic group, so i'm pretty confused.

Isn't Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre dame a Romani gypsy?

Like I said, I like and respect what you stand for, I just think your goal of changing peoples attitutes would be much more likely to succeed if you were to talk how you're talking right now, rather than using the words racist/xenophobe.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And THERE we have it Josh. You have NO direct experience of the type of people in the OP, yet you not only deny the evidence presented on tape and in the written word, but you also deny the first hand testimony of those who HAVE direct experience.

You cannot be taken serious. In a court trial you would be laughed out of court opposing such evidence with 'a feeling, a thought, a fancy'.

How many Romani friends do you have Kirk?

Originally Posted by Dollface

I'm a bit confused as to what a Romani person is, in all honesty. I always thought Romani = Gypsy = Someone who lives in a caravan ? But from the looks of things they're an ethnic group, so i'm pretty confused.

Isn't Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre dame a Romani gypsy?

Like I said, I like and respect what you stand for, I just think your goal of changing peoples attitutes would be much more likely to succeed if you were to talk how you're talking right now, rather than using the words racist/xenophobe.

A romani person is a person of the Romani ethnicity (for lack of better wording). & I would have no idea with the second thing because I've never seen that movie

I normally do speak to people like this but threads on here tend to get heated and I get caught up in it like others do.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

How many Romani friends do you have Kirk?



A romani person is a person of the Romani ethnicity (for lack of better wording). & I would have no idea with the second thing because I've never seen that movie

I normally do speak to people like this but threads on here tend to get heated and I get caught up in it like others do.

I just googled it and yes she is



I'm bringing Disney into Serious Debates & News

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

How many Romani friends do you have Kirk?



A romani person is a person of the Romani ethnicity (for lack of better wording). & I would have no idea with the second thing because I've never seen that movie

I normally do speak to people like this but threads on here tend to get heated and I get caught up in it like others do.

None Josh, but I HAVE direct experience of the type of scumbags in the OP. They infect certain areas of Doncaster where I own property and everything in the OP is true of these lawless arrogant bastards. I have had several run-ins with them, though my own properties have not been bothered by them, but a Landlord who owns a house on the same street has. He had garden ornaments and a bike stolen from his backyard and then surprised three men who were in the process of stealing a huge concrete ornamental planter. They attacked him and beat him up, and STILL took the planter.

Just for the record - I am NOT saying this is typical behaviour of the majority of Roma's, just those scumbags in the OP -- which is ALL this particular thread is about.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Thank you, I appreciate your respect. It's mutual.

But in regards to your xism comment, honestly I call em like I see em. I usually much prefer to regard peoples' comments as racist (for example) rather than the person themselves, because right now I think there's a really unfortunate trend of nice people being turned nasty almost because of xenophobic narrative. It's very rare that I do label people racist unless they show little sign of attempting to eradicate the hatred from within (that sounded really hippy-like, wow).

The Azealia Banks thread thing.. I mean, she really does appear to me like an awful homophobic person and I believe I have posted that somewhere else now you mention it. But I think that every person with prejudice that actively discriminates needs help.. for the sake of the people they are oppressing mostly.

I just genuinely think that 99% of the people on here arent racist and that it's silly to assume that someone is. I appreciate that you stick up for 'minorities' and what have you, but I think that there's times where you stick up for people, with a biased opinion and don't see the bad in them. Which I suppose isn't a bad thing. I just think that (in as nice a way as possible) the world is a lot different to how you see it. Schools are incredibly biased these days in the way that they teach. Once you start getting more freedom from school, once you go out and meet new people in ways other than school, you'll start to see the world differently. I'm sure you'll always be passionate about sticking up for minorities, and I will too. But I don't defend them when they are in the wrong, just because they have had a tough life.

I think that you've got a bright future ahead of you. And I totally respect you for that. But I think that you also have a lot to learn. The world isn't just black and white and minorities aren't always just poor little victims. I just think that words like 'racist' and 'sexist' and 'xenophobic' are thrown around waaaay waaay too much these days.