[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. I don't think you're wrong, I just have a different viewpoint.

I just think the way you approach a discussion is a little.... hostile when it doesn't need to be.

I think the hostility stems from the misconception I mentioned in my first post in this thread. The idea that in believing that sexuality, much like every other aspect of every human being, comes about through a process of socialisation, means that somehow that's a choice and can be changed. You know, much like how you chose your accent, and your personality, and your mannerisms, and what food you like, and what music you're into!

Rather bizarre that it has to keep being repeated so many times, but I guess it has proven my initial point right

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jay.

maybe some people fall out the pussy and get scared of it

and some like it

idk i've not read any of this and i don't know anything about it to possibly comment

If my sexuality was formed from whether I liked or didn't like the look of my MOTHER'S VAGINA then I think I'm going to go and kill myself. Goodbye.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

He already knows he is.

But just like most self-respecting homosexuals, he knows when a cock is full of sh*t and calling themselves Austin.

Austin is hot af be quiet

Originally Posted by Jay.

maybe some people fall out the pussy and get scared of it

and some like it

idk i've not read any of this and i don't know anything about it to possibly comment

bye

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I think the hostility stems from the misconception I mentioned in my first post in this thread. The idea that in believing that sexuality, much like every other aspect of every human being, comes about through a process of socialisation, means that somehow that's a choice and can be changed. You know, much like how you chose your accent, and your personality, and your mannerisms, and what food you like, and what music you're into!

Rather bizarre that it has to keep being repeated so many times, but I guess it has proven my initial point right

Yes, I think it's been explained about as much as it can be.

[Daniel.]

that's what you get when you let you heart win

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, researchers who have nothing better to do but try to theorise the world we live in in and its people in work you can't be bothered to read in order to make sense of it and try to be a progressive force for change

You can have all your stubborn 'I can't be bothered to comprehend this because it's stretches beyond what I've been taught so it must be crap!' attitude all you want. It's just a bunch of people on an internet forum who fail to understand basic societal concepts who whine on about not understanding it and so refute and ridicule it rather ironically

Is this how serious debates is supposed to work?

Well that's my opinion so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. A good effort with the patronising though. Great debating

[Firewire]

idk maybe who knows some people on here think they do

[Daniel.]

So do you think it's possible that people are gay but don't realise it yet? Surely they would realise it when they start to get sexual urges

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Well that's my opinion so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. A good effort with the patronising though. Great debating

An opinion that has no basis other than 'I don't understand what you're saying so it's wrong!', but okay sure

Thanks very much! I hope my patronising tone was as good as your initial one? I'm glad I'm learning how to debate, I can't understand why this section has been criticised recently what with all the maturity and civility, it's brilliant

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

So do you think it's possible that people are gay but don't realise it yet? Surely they would realise it when they start to get sexual urges

Some people don't know what it's like to be gay though. They may genuinely think they're straight and that everyone feels these urges. A lot of people don't come out until later in life because they've been pressured to be straight and never questioned it.

James seems sure of his sexuality though.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Stop arguing and enjoy cock you lot

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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

An opinion that has no basis other than 'I don't understand what you're saying so it's wrong!', but okay sure

Thanks very much! I hope my patronising tone was as good as your initial one? I'm glad I'm learning how to debate, I can't understand why this section has been criticised recently what with all the maturity and civility, it's brilliant

From what I've gathered, my initial ideas on what 'nuture' was hasn't changed. And I still think it's wrong. You haven't given me an example of what nurturing means because it's a million things that can contribute to it. Sexuality is infinity more complex than a few million variable that might have given you a preference.

[LukeB]

I hated it when someone came out as gay and dumped their girlfriend because of it and people were like she made him gay...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Quasar

From what I've gathered, my initial ideas on what 'nuture' was hasn't changed. And I still think it's wrong. You haven't given me an example of what nurturing means because it's a million things that can contribute to it. Sexuality is infinity more complex than a few million variable that might have given you a preference.

But you don't need to have a list of the million things that influences a person's life and who they are to know it exists.

You've lived a life and got to however old you are, so you know just how many factors have been involved in getting you to the place you are right now and making you the person you are.

You don't need a tick list to see that. And you don't need the list to know that it all occurs AFTER birth and is nothing to do with genetics.

If after this entire debate you're still attributing "nurture" down to the simplistic - which town you were born in or my Dad's feelings about gay people - then you haven't read a single word.

[GLENN BILL BB7]

You cant choose your Sexuality just like you didn't choose your Gender, looks, Family, Where your from, Your personality and interests ect.

I know it sounds cheesy but its so true, You just are who you are

[armand.kay]

I believe all thoughts and feeling are due to your environment/experiences..

[Ammi]

....hmm, I don't know because I would say that you are born with your sexuality ..it wouldn't make sense to me otherwise because people whose whole culture and belief values are opposed to homosexuality, couldn't be environmentally influenced...I mean, people are still killed simply because of their sexuality..so how could any 'upbringing' be an influence to them...

[Ammi]

..the paedophile one is interesting though because I would have mostly said that was an environmental thing and things that they have either witnessed or experienced and not something 'born with'...but now I think that maybe it can be born with.../interesting LT..I think it was LT that posted that but I've just skimmed through the thread....

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

So do you think it's possible that people are gay but don't realise it yet? Surely they would realise it when they start to get sexual urges

I personally don't think homosexuality is there from birth. Scientifically, I don't see how it can be.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

So do you think it's possible that people are gay but don't realise it yet? Surely they would realise it when they start to get sexual urges

I don't think that's possible if you're gay unless you've repressed it really hard and live in denial. I guess it's possible for bi people not to realise they're bi though if they favour one sex above the other, a bi person who favours straight relationships may may not know they are bi until they fall for someone of the same gender and vice versa for gay people who are actually bi.

I think if you're gay or a bisexual that has no gender preference then it's impossible not to know.

[letmein]

This is a question that can only be answered by gay people and the answer is YES.

Whether it's due to genetics or something that happens hormonally in the womb is another story.

One thing that is not debatable: it cannot be altered. Attempting to can lead to deadly consequences.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Jack_

For the most part humans are born as blank slates and every inch of our personalities and mannerisms are learned, socialised behaviour. This includes sexuality, and gender.

We're actually hard wired. It's called survival. It's nature. We have natural/human instinct.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I personally don't think homosexuality is there from birth. Scientifically, I don't see how it can be.

Perhaps you can research it.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the paedophile one is interesting though because I would have mostly said that was an environmental thing and things that they have either witnessed or experienced and not something 'born with'...but now I think that maybe it can be born with.../interesting LT..I think it was LT that posted that but I've just skimmed through the thread....

Please don't bring up pedophilia in a thread about homosexuality. Thanks.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by letmein

This is a question that can only be answered by gay people and the answer is YES.

Whether it's due to genetics or something that happens hormonally in the womb is another story.

One thing that is not debatable: it cannot be altered. Attempting to can lead to deadly consequences.

Why can it only be answered by gay people? What about scientists who research it? The answer is yes in your opinion.

What if it's neither in the womb or genetics? What if it develops through early childhood? There's no scientific proof of a right answer at this stage.

Originally Posted by letmein

We're actually hard wired. It's called survival. It's nature. We have natural/human instinct.

Yes, but how is this to do with sexuality?