[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I like the way you're explaining it to me like it's an actual fact I know what the subconscious is and I still disagree with you

Nothing in psychology is for sure a "fact", Niamh.

That's why studies exist.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

You're always going to judge someone though, Liam, even if you don't realise you're doing it. It's like when you meet someone who you've only seen through photos, and you say to them "oh, you looked taller in your photos!" You judged them - you expected them to be tall. That's just one example.

That's not prejudice, that's just a wrong assumption about someone's appearance based on a picture, these are not very good examples you're giving here.

I'm not prejudice, I'm not racist, I'm not sexist and I'm certainly not homophobic, you can't sit there and say everyone is just because you might be in your subconscious, that's your issue.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That's not prejudice, that's just a wrong assumption about someone's appearance based on a picture, these are not very good examples you're giving here.

I'm not prejudice, I'm not racist, I'm not sexist and I'm certainly not homophobic, you can't sit there and say everyone is just because you might be in your subconscious, that's your issue.

But an assumption is a judgement?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A fair bit of agreement breaking out between you and I Kirk, I totally agree again with you on this.

If you seriously sit and think about both our journeys Joey, we are so much alike.

You were a Conservative supporter Joey, then your subsequent direct life experiences of how the poor, sick and vulnerable are being hurt by the policies of the very party you support, completely reshaped your political persuasion, and because you are a very passionate person and 'wear your heart on your sleeve', your posts - while always objective and valid - sometimes become 'heated'.

I was a staunch Labour supporter, then my subsequent direct life experiences of how Labour policies afforded the scumbags in this country and others newly immigrant to it, to abuse, milk, and defraud the very systems put in place to benefit the genuine needy, completely reshaped my political persuasion. Again, because I am a very passionate person who also wears his heart on his sleeve, my posts, which I try to ensure are always objective and valid, can sometimes also be inflammatory.

I genuinely respect you Joey, and admire your knowledge of politics, and though we are to all intents and purposes on opposite sides of the political divide, I do not believe that we are so different, and I genuinely believe that neither of us are motivated by anything other than a desire to secure what is best for our families and the people of this great country. And I DO genuinely believe, that for all its faults and its sometimes dubious and shameful history, this IS the greatest country in the world.

If I could take the best of Labour policies, the best of Conservative, and - yes - the best of UKIP policies, and produce one sensible, genuine political party who said what they meant, meant what they said, who actually delivered on their Manifesto Pledges and eradicated ALL the many social injustices in the UK under the present system - I would give them my vote forever.

If only.

Until then, you have my promise, that I will never again become so involved in a SD thread, that I jeopordise our mutual respect for each other, or the friendship we had at the beginning.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Nothing in psychology is for sure a "fact", Niamh.

That's why studies exist.

Oh gee thanks

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

But an assumption is a judgement?

Not when it's an assumption gained through false information, if someone says they're 6'2" then you meet them and they're 5,3" saying 'You're shorter than you said you were' is not a judgement, or prejudice as you're trying to ridiculously link it to, it's a realisation that prior information was incorrect.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Not when it's an assumption gained through false information, if someone says they're 6'2" then you meet them and they're 5,3" saying 'You're shorter than you said you were' is not a judgement, or prejudice as you're trying to ridiculously link it to, it's a realisation that prior information was incorrect.

Anyway, none of this equals homophobia anyway so it's all pretty irrelevant

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh gee thanks

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Not when it's an assumption gained through false information, if someone says they're 6'2" then you meet them and they're 5,3" saying 'You're shorter than you said you were' is not a judgement, or prejudice as you're trying to ridiculously link it to, it's a realisation that prior information was incorrect.

You could've at least quoted me right.

Hm, I can sense this will go round in circles so let's just agree to disagree before it gets personal, okay?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just saw a man looking far too well groomed for an auction

I thought: hmm you could be gay



Am I a homophobe?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I just saw a man looking far too well groomed for an auction

I thought: hmm you could be gay



Am I a homophobe?

I think that's complimentary if anything, how is that homophobic?

[Kyle]

I do find it a little hilarious when some of the most fervent anti gay, traditional marriage pushing fundamentalist Christians get caught soliciting sex from men.

Or people like the Duggar kid who molested his sister, pushing traditional marriage and faithfulness before getting caught with his pants down on Ashley Maddison.

After it stops being funny though it makes me really angry. By all means push your agenda if you want, but if you are a hypocrite that does not practice what you preach that makes it all the more unpalatable to me.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I do find it a little hilarious when some of the most fervent anti gay, traditional marriage pushing fundamentalist Christians get caught soliciting sex from men.

Or people like the Duggar kid who molested his sister, pushing traditional marriage and faithfulness before getting caught with his pants down on Ashley Maddison.

After it stops being funny though it makes me really angry. By all means push your agenda if you want, but if you are a hypocrite that does not practice what you preach that makes it all the more unpalatable to me.

I agree. I try not to let stuff like this get to me though. I'm so over religion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I do find it a little hilarious when some of the most fervent anti gay, traditional marriage pushing fundamentalist Christians get caught soliciting sex from men.

Or people like the Duggar kid who molested his sister, pushing traditional marriage and faithfulness before getting caught with his pants down on Ashley Maddison.

After it stops being funny though it makes me really angry. By all means push your agenda if you want, but if you are a hypocrite that does not practice what you preach that makes it all the more unpalatable to me.

It's projection though isn't it, you see people on BB do it all the time too, accuse other people of traits which they're clearly guilty of themselves

[kirklancaster]

Niamh is so correct - 99% of this thread has got nothing to do with homophobia.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I do find it a little hilarious when some of the most fervent anti gay, traditional marriage pushing fundamentalist Christians get caught soliciting sex from men.

Or people like the Duggar kid who molested his sister, pushing traditional marriage and faithfulness before getting caught with his pants down on Ashley Maddison.

After it stops being funny though it makes me really angry. By all means push your agenda if you want, but if you are a hypocrite that does not practice what you preach that makes it all the more unpalatable to me.

You're okay mate being a tyke an all, but DON'T get LT on about religion.

[Northern Monkey]

Not sure if it's ever acceptable but i've seen it on here before.I got infracted for 'transphobic comments' ages ago,I think it was something to do with that Harries weirdo but then saw words like 'fag' and 'dyke' cropping up on here.unless it's like the thing with black people where only they can say the 'N' word.Idk.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's deflection though isn't it, you see people on BB do it all the time too, accuse other people of traits which they're clearly guilty of themselves

I don't really care. If you are actively going out of your way to chastise other people for living a lifestyle that you know deep down you are living out yourself (whether that be homosexuality, infidelity, fraud or whatever) then don't complain when People think badly of you.

Keep your mouth shut or maybe quietly tut when somebody brings it up, yeh fine whatever. But to stand on a pulpit or podium in front of an audience and speak to the masses about how wrong these activities are and actively shame people with it? I just find that distasteful sorry.

[Kizzy]

I think that's where the phrase 'thou protesteth too much' come from isn't it? Those who bleat on about morals and such are usually those crushingly deficient.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I don't really care. If you are actively going out of your way to chastise other people for living a lifestyle that you know deep down you are living out yourself (whether that be homosexuality, infidelity, fraud or whatever) then don't complain when People think badly of you.

Keep your mouth shut or maybe quietly tut when somebody brings it up, yeh fine whatever. But to stand on a pulpit or podium in front of an audience and speak to the masses about how wrong these activities are and actively shame people with it? I just find that distasteful sorry.

Oh yeah I completely agree it makes it even worse of course

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I'm just being psychological.

You're not being any sort of logical Ashley... all of this "people are inherently gay in their subconscious" is unfounded hypothesis. One that I very much doubt is accurate, it seems far more likely that any and all homophobia that anyone has is social conditioning.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I just saw a man looking far too well groomed for an auction

I thought: hmm you could be gay



Am I a homophobe?

You don't have to be gay to have a wash LT.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're not being any sort of logical Ashley... all of this "people are inherently gay in their subconscious" is unfounded hypothesis. One that I very much doubt is accurate, it seems far more likely that any and all homophobia that anyone has is social conditioning.

Hm.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Hm.

Mmhm.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You don't have to be gay to have a wash LT.

No but why do you have to wash in a Turkish bath so often?