[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A fair bit of agreement breaking out between you and I Kirk, I totally agree again with you on this.

If you seriously sit and think about both our journeys Joey, we are so much alike.

You were a Conservative supporter Joey, then your subsequent direct life experiences of how the poor, sick and vulnerable are being hurt by the policies of the very party you support, completely reshaped your political persuasion, and because you are a very passionate person and 'wear your heart on your sleeve', your posts - while always objective and valid - sometimes become 'heated'.

I was a staunch Labour supporter, then my subsequent direct life experiences of how Labour policies afforded the scumbags in this country and others newly immigrant to it, to abuse, milk, and defraud the very systems put in place to benefit the genuine needy, completely reshaped my political persuasion. Again, because I am a very passionate person who also wears his heart on his sleeve, my posts, which I try to ensure are always objective and valid, can sometimes also be inflammatory.

I genuinely respect you Joey, and admire your knowledge of politics, and though we are to all intents and purposes on opposite sides of the political divide, I do not believe that we are so different, and I genuinely believe that neither of us are motivated by anything other than a desire to secure what is best for our families and the people of this great country. And I DO genuinely believe, that for all its faults and its sometimes dubious and shameful history, this IS the greatest country in the world.

If I could take the best of Labour policies, the best of Conservative, and - yes - the best of UKIP policies, and produce one sensible, genuine political party who said what they meant, meant what they said, who actually delivered on their Manifesto Pledges and eradicated ALL the many social injustices in the UK under the present system - I would give them my vote forever.

If only.

Until then, you have my promise, that I will never again become so involved in a SD thread, that I jeopordise our mutual respect for each other, or the friendship we had at the beginning.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If you seriously sit and think about both our journeys Joey, we are so much alike.

You were a Conservative supporter Joey, then your subsequent direct life experiences of how the poor, sick and vulnerable are being hurt by the policies of the very party you support, completely reshaped your political persuasion, and because you are a very passionate person and 'wear your heart on your sleeve', your posts - while always objective and valid - sometimes become 'heated'.

I was a staunch Labour supporter, then my subsequent direct life experiences of how Labour policies afforded the scumbags in this country and others newly immigrant to it, to abuse, milk, and defraud the very systems put in place to benefit the genuine needy, completely reshaped my political persuasion. Again, because I am a very passionate person who also wears his heart on his sleeve, my posts, which I try to ensure are always objective and valid, can sometimes also be inflammatory.

I genuinely respect you Joey, and admire your knowledge of politics, and though we are to all intents and purposes on opposite sides of the political divide, I do not believe that we are so different, and I genuinely believe that neither of us are motivated by anything other than a desire to secure what is best for our families and the people of this great country. And I DO genuinely believe, that for all its faults and its sometimes dubious and shameful history, this IS the greatest country in the world.

If I could take the best of Labour policies, the best of Conservative, and - yes - the best of UKIP policies, and produce one sensible, genuine political party who said what they meant, meant what they said, who actually delivered on their Manifesto Pledges and eradicated ALL the many social injustices in the UK under the present system - I would give them my vote forever. If only.

Until then, you have my promise, that I will never again become so involved in a SD thread, that I jeopordise our mutual respect for each other, or the friendship we had at the beginning.

Nice one, it is actually my thinking too.

Add to it a consensus from parties that no discrimination is tolerated and no demonization of any section of UK society then that could be at last a governing force that would be worthy of full and absolute respect and support.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nice one, it is actually my thinking too.

Add to it a consensus from parties that no discrimination is tolerated and no demonization of any section of UK society then that could be at last a governing force that would be worthy of full and absolute respect and support.

'If Only' eh Joey?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'If Only' eh Joey?

If only indeed and after chaos looming from the constant changing of parties in govt over the last century or more and them still searching for the answers to the endless questions left as to their failures.

One could be forgiven for thinking grown men and women seeking to serve in power would have realised that better way by now.

Rather than set out determined to create division where really no division should even be.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nice one, it is actually my thinking too.

Add to it a consensus from parties that no discrimination is tolerated and no demonization of any section of UK society then that could be at last a governing force that would be worthy of full and absolute respect and support.

See i would love to support a party like this but one who is tougher on immigration and serious on defence and all for Trident remaining while ever nuclear weapons exist.Unfortunately there is nobody who is anti-austerity and social injustice but also supports the things i feel are important as stated above.
Tories are too harsh on the average person,Labour are too left wing and Lib Dems don't know what they stand for so for me least worst option is currently UKIP.If Labour had Andy Burnham or Chuka i would have very close to supporting them if they had maybe toughened up slightly on immigration.