[Jamie89]

This is the video:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34625512

This is a further article where she talks about Caitlyn Jenner, who apparently just wants to steal limelight from proper women!:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...germaine-greer

The reason I find this so interesting is that it's Germaine Greer who's saying these things. I would have thought a feminist intellectual would better understand the dangers of repressing people. Of course she's entitled to her opinion I'm just very surprised that this is her opinion. For example, saying "they don't behave like women" is basically saying that all women should behave a particular way, which surely is blatant misogyny?

[JoshBB]

She is a TERF - trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

I dont recognise TERFs as feminists at all, because they are essentially saying that the most important part of being a woman is having a vagina. Quite hypocritical given all that shes said.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She is a TERF - trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

I dont recognise TERFs as feminists at all, because they are essentially saying that the most important part of being a woman is having a vagina. Quite hypocritical given all that shes said.

No she's just a TIT.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No she's just a TIT.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She is a TERF - trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

I dont recognise TERFs as feminists at all, because they are essentially saying that the most important part of being a woman is having a vagina. Quite hypocritical given all that shes said.

Yes. And she's intentionally specific in referring to male to female transexuals and not the other way around. As if to imply that her problem isn't with transexualism in general but more about protecting an ideal of what a 'proper woman' should be

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

Yes. And she's intentionally specific in referring to male to female transexuals and not the other way around. As if to imply that her problem isn't with transexualism in general but more about protecting an ideal of what a 'proper woman' should be

Yeah. This is why so many radical feminists tend to not be feminists at all, they just hate men. (and even women born as men)

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No she's just a TIT.

That too.

[Kizzy]

To play devils advocate can a transitioned female ever truly think/act as a female having not experienced patriarchy or socialisation as a female child?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To play devils advocate can a transitioned female ever truly think/act as a female having not experienced patriarchy or socialisation as a female child?

all little girls have a unique child hood experience. a trans girls also have a unique experience as a girl.

there is no definitive "girl" experience.

[Ashley.]

Double standards.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To play devils advocate can a transitioned female ever truly think/act as a female having not experienced patriarchy or socialisation as a female child?

Transgender children feel oppression in a way much stronger than any cisgender little girl would be my response to this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

all little girls have a unique child hood experience. a trans girls also have a unique experience as a girl.

there is no definitive "girl" experience.

I disagree there very much is a male and female gender experience of primary socialisation, if you went through your formative years as a boy that experience will be lacking I would have said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well when GG transgendered people accepted him, i mean her

[Josy]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She is a TERF - trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

I dont recognise TERFs as feminists at all, because they are essentially saying that the most important part of being a woman is having a vagina. Quite hypocritical given all that shes said.

Wouldn't that be a womb?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Wouldn't that be a womb?

You're right

[Ninastar]

Meh, probs not a very popular opinion (and i don't really care either way) but I don't think you an truly be female or male (unless you already are, through birth) until you have the operation. But of course you can identify as whatever you want, and we should stand by you with that.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To play devils advocate can a transitioned female ever truly think/act as a female having not experienced patriarchy or socialisation as a female child?

Well it's a good point, and honestly I don't know which is why it doesn't bother me necessarily if people have germaines views because at least it raises a debate, my main issue here is just that its a supposed feminist expressing what I feel are very misoginistic views. I suppose your question raises another which is, how should a woman think/act? Is it how we expect them to based on archaic stereotyping or is it however feels natural to them? I do have a close friend who is a female to male transexual and I had no idea until he told me, but how important should that be anyway compared to how he feels inside? I think these are the things that germaine is overlooking in favour of a more superficial and narrow minded approach to gender identity

[user104658]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She is a TERF - trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

I dont recognise TERFs as feminists at all, because they are essentially saying that the most important part of being a woman is having a vagina. Quite hypocritical given all that shes said.

LOL at there being an acronym for this

[lostalex]

i don't think your genitals and body parts define you as a man or a woman.

If a man goes to war, and he gets his balls blown off by a roadside bomb in Iraq... now he has no balls, is he still a man?

Or a woman gets breast cancer, and she has to have a mastectomy, is she still a woman?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i don't think your genitals and body parts define you as a man or a woman.

If a man goes to war, and he gets his balls blown off by a roadside bomb in Iraq... now he has no balls, is he still a man?

Or a woman gets breast cancer, and she has to have a mastectomy, is she still a woman?

You're right. And we all start off as female in the womb anyway... some of us are just lucky enough to grow penises

[arista]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

This is the video:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34625512

This is a further article where she talks about Caitlyn Jenner, who apparently just wants to steal limelight from proper women!:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...germaine-greer

The reason I find this so interesting is that it's Germaine Greer who's saying these things. I would have thought a feminist intellectual would better understand the dangers of repressing people. Of course she's entitled to her opinion I'm just very surprised that this is her opinion. For example, saying "they don't behave like women" is basically saying that all women should behave a particular way, which surely is blatant misogyny?

Yes I Get Her


Feel The Force

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well when GG transgendered people accepted him, i mean her

What a Puddle!

[Livia]

No transgender woman has the XX chromosome so clinically, as they still have only XY chromosomes and not XX chromosomes they are not biologically women. That doesn't mean to say that if they have a need to live their lives as a women they shouldn't do that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

No transgender woman has the X chromosome so clinically, as they still have only xy chromosomes and not XX chromosomes they are not biologically women. That doesn't mean to say that if they have a need to live their lives as a women they shouldn't do that.

Yes XY XX is the Facts

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

No transgender woman has the XX chromosome so clinically, as they still have only XY chromosomes and not XX chromosomes they are not biologically women. That doesn't mean to say that if they have a need to live their lives as a women they shouldn't do that.

what you say is factually true.

i don't think trans women need to be reminded though, and i think it's clear that Germaine Greer is just being a nasty **** by thinking she needs to REMIND trans women of that fact. It's clear she takes some kind of sick discriminatory pleasure in saying it.