[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Spot on.

The self-righteousness of some people about it is ridiculous.

Also, she might want to remember her trysts with gangsters, extramarital affair and 5 abortions before judging others simply for not wearing a poppy. I know which I think is worse.

What the hell has Barbara Windsor's abortions got to do with supporting our troops. What's it got to do with anything, come to that? What's even more self-righteous is to choose not to support our troops because some celebrity has pissed you off.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Livia

What the hell has Barbara Windsor's abortions got to do with supporting our troops.What's it got to do with anything, come to that? What's even more self-righteous is to choose not to support our troops because some celebrity has pissed you off.

Um, you're someone I've always respected and gotten along with fine so I'd appreciate it if you wound your neck in and didn't bite my head off for posting my viewpoint. Especially if you're going to completely twist my words to suit whatever agenda it is your pushing.

Where in my post did I even suggest I "choose not to support troops". Please do find evidence of that because that's a really bloody insulting assumption to make with no evidence.

As for me referencing her past, my whole point is that it's ridiculous to make such a harsh judgement on someone for not wearing a poppy (and yes, the suggestion that people don't care about the troops if they don't wear a poppy is moronic) when you're hardly Mother Theresa. I have no qualms with judging someone who chooses to judge me.

Gosh, I always had you down as someone to have rational and respectful debate with and capable of having a debate without flying off the handle. We all make mistakes, I suppose.

[JoshBB]

Nobody should be forced to wear a symbol of any kind. No matter what it represents.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Um, you're someone I've always respected and gotten along with fine so I'd appreciate it if you wound your neck in and didn't bite my head off for posting my viewpoint. Especially if you're going to completely twist my words to suit whatever agenda it is your pushing.

Where in my post did I even suggest I "choose not to support troops". Please do find evidence of that because that's a really bloody insulting assumption to make with no evidence.

As for me referencing her past, my whole point is that it's ridiculous to make such a harsh judgement on someone for not wearing a poppy (and yes, the suggestion that people don't care about the troops if they don't wear a poppy is moronic) when you're hardly Mother Theresa. I have no qualms with judging someone who chooses to judge me.

Gosh, I always had you down as someone to have rational and respectful debate with. We all make mistakes, I suppose.

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Nobody should be forced to wear a symbol of any kind. No matter what it represents.

Weren't you wearing a white poppy last year? Didn't mind wearing that particular symbol, did you Josh.

[MB.]

Because he wasn't forced to wear it?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MB.

Because he wasn't forced to wear it?

And who is "forced" to wear a red poppy?

No one.

[Amy Jade]

Liv I'm so sorry

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

[MB.]

(I don't see what relevance Josh wearing a white poppy (as long as he wasn't 'forcing' it upon others) has to his point as much as Barbara Windsor's abortions have no relevance to supporting our troops but that's something to agree to disagree on)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Liv I'm so sorry

Thanks AJ... this is a not a good subject for me especially as its the anniversary this week of losing him. I apologise if I've upset anyone... I didn't mean to it's just a bad reaction to this subject.

I'll leave this thread so others can discuss it without me putting a cloud over it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

And who is "forced" to wear a red poppy?

No one.

Staff on TV at the BBC are

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Thanks AJ... this is a not a good subject for me especially as its the anniversary this week of losing him. I apologise if I've upset anyone... I didn't mean to it's just a bad reaction to this subject.

I'll leave this thread so others can discuss it without me putting a cloud over it.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Livia

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

And you saw no mention of me "choosing not to support them because a celebrity pissed me off" either.

And no, feeling strongly about wearing a poppy and judging others for not are two separate things. I was annoyed by the latter.

Originally Posted by Livia

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

Well that's a real shame considering all I did was share my view (which, in any mature discussion at least, in no way warrants personal attacks and assumptions). We're here to discuss the topic, not each other and I have every right to put my two cents in without unfounded judgements on my character.

But anyway, we're not going to get anywhere. I'm a nasty evil person because I don't wear a poppy and you had every right to get personal with me, I think that's the general gist. End of "discussion", I think.

[Livia]

Like I said Losie, this is a bad subject for me to be involved in right now. I apologise if you were offended by my post, I am leaving this thread to allow people to discuss it without me overreacting.

[the truth]

we got rid of all the military hospitals? the US has over 500...we just give them a gold star and a badge and don't even pay them a tidy pension. we patronise the hell out of our brave soldiers but don't look after them...they cant live on false praise and poppies

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Like I said Losie, this is a bad subject for me to be involved in right now. I apologise if you were offended by my post, I am leaving this thread to allow people to discuss it without me overreacting.

My sincere condolences at this difficult time

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I agree. I always donate but never wear one.

Same here, although I might take a sticker and stick it on living room wall.

[user104658]

Toy Soldier: "Sod Off" If you're Barbara Windsor.


I'd wear one if they made them a bit more fablus, maybe brought back the metal pins and made the poppy leaves out of a nice red leather.

But aint nobody gon' tell TS to wear plastic. PLASTIC. Nuh-uh. Nuh-UH

[DemolitionRed]

My great grandfather was killed in the battle of the Somme and my grandfather was killed in the Normandy landing.

I wear a poppy to show my respect.

[AnnieK]

Both my grandfathers served in the Second World War and one was a prisoner of war and the other lost 2 brothers in the fighting so I wear a poppy with pride as a mark of respect to those who have served. I don't care why people think I may be wearing it, that is their problem not mine. I don't judge anyone who doesn't wear one. What I do hate though is people who make a show of burning poppies / destroying poppy wreaths which has happened increasingly lately.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

My god, I can't imagine going through that.

Hope you're keeping up ok.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Like I said Losie, this is a bad subject for me to be involved in right now. I apologise if you were offended by my post, I am leaving this thread to allow people to discuss it without me overreacting.

You were already gracious in apologising once Liv - I really do not believe that you should be apologising twice.

Our hearts genuinely go out to you Liv, because even the most balanced and stoic of us can be forgiven for being human at such a painful time as this.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;8254752]My great grandfather was killed in the battle of the Somme and my grandfather was killed in the Normandy landing.

I wear a poppy to show my respect.[/QUOTE]

Quote = AnnieK Both my grandfathers served in the Second World War and one was a prisoner of war and the other lost 2 brothers in the fighting so I wear a poppy with pride as a mark of respect to those who have served. I don't care why people think I may be wearing it, that is their problem not mine. I don't judge anyone who doesn't wear one. What I do hate though is people who make a show of burning poppies / destroying poppy wreaths which has happened increasingly lately.

Respect to both of you.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Weren't you wearing a white poppy last year? Didn't mind wearing that particular symbol, did you Josh.

I didn't wear any poppy as I never passed anyone selling them, but the point still stands that it's about choice.