[Rob!]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i've never heard of a case where someone got HIV/AIDS from sharing a STRAW to snort powder... do you have any references for that??? I'm pretty sure it's just needles and sex...

You may not have heard of it but it is possible. It's the same as someone with infected blood putting an open cut on someone else's open cut. Blood goes on the straw from the drug cutting the inside of your nose and then the same straw is placed into someone else's nostril who also has a cut on the inside of the nose from sniffing the drugs.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Rob!

You may not have heard of it but it is possible. It's the same as someone with infected blood putting an open cut on someone else's open cut. Blood goes on the straw from the drug cutting the inside of your nose and then the same straw is placed into someone else's nostril who also has a cut on the inside of the nose from sniffing the drugs.

well by that logic you can also say that anyone who plays contact sports, a rugby player who has any blood anywhere could technically transfer it to another player just by playing rugby, so really rugby is just as dangerous for getting HIV as sharing a rolled up dollar bill...

Let's try to keep things in perspective.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well by that logic you can also say that anyone who plays contact sports, a rugby player who has any blood anywhere could technically transfer it to another player just by playing rugby, so really rugby is just as dangerous for getting HIV as sharing a rolled up dollar bill...

Let's try to keep things in perspective.

Yes, but who's more likely to be sharing bodily fluids/spreading diseases?

The rugby player with the small chance of having a cut, the small chance of him having an infection to start with and the small chance of his blood coming into contact with another player?

Or the frequent drug user who often has casual sex? Activities where they're not exactly going to be in the most rational frame of mind to be safe etc. It kind of speaks for itself.

That's like saying anyone can be burned by fire in their own home by matches or kitchen equipment. It's all the same chance. Well it isn't, that doesn't mean there aren't people, like firefighters, who obviously have a MUCH higher chance of this happening.



The firefighter who frequently takes drugs, has casual sex and plays rugby on the weekend though.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, but who's more likely to be sharing bodily fluids/spreading diseases?

The rugby player with the small chance of having a cut, the small chance of him having an infection to start with and the small chance of his blood coming into contact with another player?

Or the frequent drug user who often has casual sex? Activities where they're not exactly going to be in the most rational frame of mind to be safe etc. It kind of speaks for itself.

That's like saying anyone can be burned by fire in their own home by matches or kitchen equipment. It's all the same chance. Well it isn't, that doesn't mean there aren't people, like firefighters, who obviously have a MUCH higher chance of this happening.



The firefighter who frequently takes drugs, has casual sex and plays rugby on the weekend though.

i wasn't talking about casual sex and needle drug use.. i was just comparing it to the using a straw up your nose drug use that he was claiming is risky behavior.

obviously anyone who shares needles and has unprotected sex is a million times more ub danger, but that wasn't what i was referring to, i was referring to the claim that sharing a straw to sniff drugs can give you aids, and i rightly pointed out that that is not really risky behavior.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i wasn't talking about casual sex and needle drug use.. i was just comparing it to the using a straw up your nose drug use that he was claiming is risky behavior

I wasn't claiming anything, it's a fact. I don't really get what you're finding so difficult to understand in what I've said. It can take the smallest bacteria to infect someone, and blood on a straw or a note that is going up another cut up nostril is enough to transfer disease, hence the test.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I wasn't claiming anything, it's a fact. I don't really get what you're finding so difficult to understand in what I've said. It can take the smallest bacteria to infect someone, and blood on a straw or a note that is going up another cut up nostril is enough to transfer disease, hence the test.

yes, just like playing rugby and getting scraps on your knees with other players puts you at risk... actually that would put you at more risk. playing rugby is more of an HIV danger than sniffing cocaine, that's all i'm saying.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yes, just like playing rugby and getting scraps on your knees with other players puts you at risk...

But who's blood is more likely to give you some yucky infection? A rugby player or a drug addict?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yes, just like playing rugby and getting scraps on your knees with other players puts you at risk... actually that would put you at more risk. playing rugby is more of an HIV danger than sniffing cocaine, that's all i'm saying.

At no point in the test was I asked if I play rugby. Maybe the NHS is missing a trick there.