[DemolitionRed]

That case is still fresh on my mind. This child was systematically tortured over a period of months before he died. He was also badly let down by the social services and he was especially let down by his school who had been told that Daniel had an eating disorder. Teachers found him climbing on cupboards and scavenging through rubbish bins to get food. He was nearly 5 years old and only weighed 1st 9lbs ffs? This child regularly arrived at school with bruises and even black eyes and yet despite the schools suspicions, they did nothing.

They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That case is still fresh on my mind. This child was systematically tortured over a period of months before he died. He was also badly let down by the social services and he was especially let down by his school who had been told that Daniel had an eating disorder. Teachers found him climbing on cupboards and scavenging through rubbish bins to get food. He was nearly 5 years old and only weighed 1st 9lbs ffs? This child regularly arrived at school with bruises and even black eyes and yet despite the schools suspicions, they did nothing.

They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?

That post was referring to the facts criminals are allowed to stay in this country as the man had a history of being in prison.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That case is still fresh on my mind. This child was systematically tortured over a period of months before he died. He was also badly let down by the social services and he was especially let down by his school who had been told that Daniel had an eating disorder. Teachers found him climbing on cupboards and scavenging through rubbish bins to get food. He was nearly 5 years old and only weighed 1st 9lbs ffs? This child regularly arrived at school with bruises and even black eyes and yet despite the schools suspicions, they did nothing.

They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country

Reading this, with the bolded part, you could easily be talking about the school.

[bots]

One of the reasons we are a democracy is because everyone is entitled to a fair trial, no matter their colour, creed or country of origin.

If they are proven guilty, by all means deport them. Two have not however, and they join the thousands of other law abiding refugees (again, they are law abiding until proven otherwise).

I'm no PC spokesman as many of you know, but people living in our country do have rights, and they should be upheld, no matter their origin.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Reading this, with the bolded part, you could easily be talking about the school.

Yes it could, because you didn't quote my whole paragraph which also said,
"They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?"


I think that was clear enough.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes it could, because you didn't quote my whole paragraph which also said,
"They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?"


I think that was clear enough.

Hmm. I was saying that, in my opinion, it would be quite right to say it about the school. Obviously the mother and boyfriend were primarily responsible for causing his death, but those others who were supposed to be looking out for him - I feel - are also criminally responsible.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Adam.

That post was referring to the facts criminals are allowed to stay in this country as the man had a history of being in prison.

and what my post was saying is, if you commit murder in this country, expect to be punished under the full arm of the law in this country.

They have been appealing to be sent back to Poland. I doubt they will win that appeal.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That case is still fresh on my mind. This child was systematically tortured over a period of months before he died. He was also badly let down by the social services and he was especially let down by his school who had been told that Daniel had an eating disorder. Teachers found him climbing on cupboards and scavenging through rubbish bins to get food. He was nearly 5 years old and only weighed 1st 9lbs ffs? This child regularly arrived at school with bruises and even black eyes and yet despite the schools suspicions, they did nothing.

They killed a poor wee helpless child in this country. They committed murder in this country, so why the hell would we put them on a plane and send them back to Poland?

You continually wrongly accuse me of 'not making myself clear in posts' keep giving me advice to 'calm down' to 'not be so sensitive' etc, but it is you who really need to read through a post properly and contemplate BEFORE responding, because I was clearly NOT saying that these two bastards should be sent back to Poland for the torture and murder of this innocent child, but:

a) Merely using this article to corroborate that Adam was correct in claiming that foreign criminal turds are NOT always deported.

b) Specifically emboldened the part of the article which actually proved what Adam was saying was correct. Namely, the fact that this evil Polish bitch's evil boyfriend had already been arrested at least 6 times and jailed 3 times PRIOR to committing this atrocity and my point was that IF this bastard HAD been deported after his first, second or third jail term, or after any of his 6 arrests - THEN THIS POOR ANGELIC LOOKING INNOCENT LITTLE CHILD MIGHT - JUST MIGHT - HAVE BEEN ******* SPARED BEING TORTURED AND MURDERED.

Here is what I actually wrote:

"...HER 34 YEAR OLD SADISTIC BOYFRIEND MARIUSZ KREZOLEK WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN JAILED IN THIS COUNTRY THREE TIMES AND ARRESTED AT LEAST SIX TIMES BUT HAD NEVER BEEN PUT ON A PLANE BACK TO POLAN: "

Personally, I do not believe that this pair of turds should serve their life sentences in Poland or here in Britain, because I believe they should be shot - as all child killers should be, and I will personally put the ******* bullets in their heads FREE of charge.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmm. I was saying that, in my opinion, it would be quite right to say it about the school. Obviously the mother and boyfriend were primarily responsible for causing his death, but those others who were supposed to be looking out for him - I feel - are also criminally responsible.

And once again, I fully agree with you T.S. whoever is responsible are fully culpable and should be jailed.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmm. I was saying that, in my opinion, it would be quite right to say it about the school. Obviously the mother and boyfriend were primarily responsible for causing his death, but those others who were supposed to be looking out for him - I feel - are also criminally responsible.

Ah ok...sorry.

I agree, the school in particular who admitted to being highly suspicious but washed it all under the carpet. That poor little guy could of been saved if just one of those teachers had spoken out.

There have been some heavy investigations into this. I believe they are still ongoing. Even David Clegg got himself involved.

[DemolitionRed]

Kirk, please don't exaggerate. I don't continually accuse you of not making yourself clear in posts. If I don't understand what someone is trying to say in a post, I ask for clarification. Its not my intention to offend by asking.

My final paragraph wasn't at all accusational. It didn't point towards you just because I included the case you posted, but towards where this topic had veered.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Still think this forum desperately needs a "backpedaling" gif.

Would be in constant use

[Jamie89]

It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

Your'e right of course.

Edited to say: How did you manage to put, into just one short post, what some of us have been trying to say in half a dozen?!

Here's hoping you stick around in SD

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Your'e right of course.

Edited to say: How did you manage to put, into just one short post, what some of us have been trying to say in half a dozen?!

Here's hoping you stick around in SD

Thanks DR (and others) that's really nice of you to say

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Just thought I would point out the 'send them all back' comment was about the men involved not legitimate asylum seekers.

I am the furthest thing from racist nor xenophobic.

In which case, I withdraw my accusation of xenophobia. Sorry to jump to that conclusion, racism is becoming more common nowadays online and 'send them all back' is a phrase normally used which is probably why I made that association.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

Very well put. I agree with everything here.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

It's a common thing for immigrants to come over 'lose there paperwork' and claim to be under 18 as the benefits of being under 18 are so better and the UK will not send a child back to there own country .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

It goes without saying that this is a truly horrific thing to happen to anyone but The Sun's agenda is pretty clear here. I mean "The issue is what were they doing there in the first place?" for example. I'm sorry but that's not the issue, rape is the issue. And "They arrived in the country without documents claiming to be under 18 and from Syria. But the reality is they could be older". What's that word... evidence??? Nope let's just make casual assumptions in order to detract from the real issue just to add to all their other anti-migrant propaganda. The fact that this debate is even about migration shows how completely manipulative this article and The Sun newspaper is. How dare they use this girls pain to further a political agenda. It's shameful

..(I typed a huge post..../but the forum went funny, peculiar and it was lost..)...anyways, the gist ...I do agree Liam with agendas/slants etc and the media but with this, I interpreted 'what were they doing there in the first place' as being in the residential care home as opposed to what are they doing in the country but maybe that's what you also mean ...I do think with this, it obviously is something that should never have happened, so should refugees who haven't had their papers etc verified, be temporarily homed with the 'vulnerable'..?..and what does that mean exactly anyway because personally, I would say that refugees are part of the 'vulnerable...so hmmm, it's quite confusing atm and it was also meant to be somewhere which was fully supervised, so how could anything like this ever happen....


...anyways, atm much of the media is reporting 4 males as having being charged and 2 having been questioned but no charges...I hope the people who have done this are brought to justice and that she is not 'let down' now in the care and counselling etc she needs and I think a lot to be looked into with this...

[Josy]

Poor girl, hopefully if guilty the men are punished accordingly.

Originally Posted by JoshBB

'Send them all back'

What a blatantly xenophobic comment to make? Lets just hope you never move abroad and that five english people don't rape a child there. Let's hope nobody makes the same generalisation that you just did that all of the syrian refugees pose a risk of raping young children.. honestly I can't believe the ignorance in what you said.

Josh you seriously need to stop being so quick to jump to conclusions and label people, in doing so you are doing the very thing you claim to hate....

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Adam.

It's a common thing for immigrants to come over 'lose there paperwork' and claim to be under 18 as the benefits of being under 18 are so better and the UK will not send a child back to there own country .

That might be true but it doesn't change the fact that regarding THIS case, there is no evidence for it. Like I said, it's an assumption, being used as propaganda to fuel anti-migrant sentiment. The Sun know their audience and the way they've used this story to sell to them is actually very clever, albeit irresponsible and uninformed.

[lostalex]

this is what donald trump said would happen...