[Kizzy]

Where are the examples that he is doing anything of merit for the country?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where are the examples that he is doing anything of merit for the country?

It depends Kizzy on what some see as merit depending on who or what they care about.

People who are sick and poor are getting hammered by him and his govt so any success he is having is bought in a good part off the backs of the most vulnerable.
That is seen unbelievably as right and as success by some,(I honestly get more disillusioned by the UK day by day).
Well not so by me and it never will be by me, those people matter to me and those people literally got thrown into the lions den with not a scrap of hope at all in May by the 36.8% of voters who most of them likely couldn't care a toss about the vulnerable.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It depends Kizzy on what some see as merit depending on who or what they care about.

People who are sick and poor are getting hammered by him and his govt so any success he is having is bought in a good part off the backs of the most vulnerable.
That is seen unbelievably as right and as success by some,(I honestly get more disillusioned by the UK day by day).
Well not so by me and it never will be by me, those people matter to me and those people literally got thrown into the lions den with not a scrap of hope at all in May by the 36.8% of voters who most of them likely couldn't care a toss about them..

I fail to see one triumph Joey, the selling off of infrastructure and property, the allowances for foreign investment in nuclear capabilities in this country rather than their own.
The removal of civil rights, public services, medical, social, civic, legal, transport, the restrictions of human rights, protest, unions, and the possibility that communications can and will be compromised.
Those 36.8% will rue the day like the rest of us.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I fail to see one triumph Joey, the selling off of infrastructure and property, the allowances for foreign investment in nuclear capabilities in this country rather than their own.
The removal of civil rights, public services, medical, social, civic, legal, transport, the restrictions of human rights, protest, unions, and the possibility that communications can and will be compromised.
Those 36.8% will rue the day like the rest of us.

I agree with you Kizzy,I am glad you are on here or I'd likely go insane on this.

The only change I would make to your post is a good number of that 36.8% will rue the day but only once it hits them in their pocket or personally.
Most of tem are not bothered about the devastation being inflicted on the vulnerable, who now are having likely the covering of cost of their just appeals as to loss of benefits taken away by this wretched excuse for a govt.
meaning even being poor, they lose now the right to justice.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I fail to see one triumph Joey, the selling off of infrastructure and property, the allowances for foreign investment in nuclear capabilities in this country rather than their own.
The removal of civil rights, public services, medical, social, civic, legal, transport, the restrictions of human rights, protest, unions, and the possibility that communications can and will be compromised.
Those 36.8% will rue the day like the rest of us.

21 pre-election promises broken in such a short time. Its as though they are sprinting towards a final goal post with sledgehammers in their hands. What is their end goal? I'm baffled by the way Cameron is behaving at the moment. That man is a liar; he’s a propaganda profiteer who has successfully created the peasants to revolt against the peasants.

We all know the countries in a mess but most of us seem to think it’s either the scrounging unemployed and immigrants fault or Gordon Browns. This government relies on our ignorance.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

21 pre-election promises broken in such a short time. Its as though they are sprinting towards a final goal post with sledgehammers in their hands. What is their end goal? I'm baffled by the way Cameron is behaving at the moment. That man is a liar; he’s a propaganda profiteer who has successfully created the peasants to revolt against the peasants.

We all know the countries in a mess but most of us seem to think it’s either the scrounging unemployed and immigrants fault or Gordon Browns. This government relies on our ignorance.

Really glad you are on here too DR.
I am not really someone who should comment on Cameron because I dislike the man as a politician intensely.
His lies as to the NHS and that top down re-organisation at massive cost is just one of the many things I will never forgive him for.

I agree with you,he is a political liar and of the worst kind in my view, his word not to be trusted on near anything.

This post and you earlier post are well balanced and spot on.
Again well said.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Really glad you are on here too DR.
I am not really someone who should comment on Cameron because I dislike the man as a politician intensely.
His lies as to the NHS and that top down re-organisation at massive cost is just one of the many things I will never forgive him for.

I agree with you,he is a political liar and of the worst kind in my view, his word not to be trusted on near anything.

This post and you earlier post are well balanced and spot on.
Again well said.

Thanks Joey and ditto.

You can't debate politics if you can't discuss both sides and most debates on politics tend to get very passionate and heated so I guess you have to be thick skinned . You absolutely should be able to voice your opinion on Cameron and on Cameron supporters for that matter because if you can't do that, you may as well take up knitting and stay well clear of political debate.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Thanks Joey and ditto.

You can't debate politics if you can't discuss both sides and most debates on politics tend to get very passionate and heated so I guess you have to be thick skinned . You absolutely should be able to voice your opinion on Cameron and on Cameron supporters for that matter because if you can't do that, you may as well take up knitting and stay well clear of political debate.

I agree again.

When I was aged up to 17 I would have been termed a Conservative DR,I actually was strongly supportive to the coalition and hoped for good things from it.
However in 2010,I was concerned,as a lot of my family work in the NHS,whether David Cameron could be trusted with it,something made me not trust him and I voted Lib Dem.

Than as you point out we saw the many failures to hit every economic target set by 'themselves'.
With budget targets revised downwards in the Autumn and the Autumn targets revised downwards again in the next budget.
Then the obscene unnecessary and costly demoralising NHS top down re-organisation that was 'promised' to be never going to happen by Cameron.
Finally the bedroom tax, that was the final thing on top of all the benefit changes and persecution, victimisation and demonisation that was then in place against the most vulnerable in society.
With the whipping up of the divide and conquer stance of turning working people against those needing benefits.

That was when I looked elsewhere and although I was never anti Labour, I found they had the policies more suited to how I viewed how society should be especially to the protection and respect for the dignity of people who are sick, disabled and vulnerable.

Since then some have fired loony left at me, have been told my posts are nonsense,have been told things like food banks are not as stated just because some people have not seen one or seen what happens at one, while I have.
All in the main from Conservative supporters.

I don't change allegiances lightly,just because Corbyn got elected as leader that would not make me run off, it is the policies, the thinking and base of the planning of policies that matter to me.
The building up of the sick and disabled and most vulnerable, not grinding them down, the plan to bring social care and general care together in the NHS.
AS for these austerity cuts, they proved a disastrous between 2010 and 2015 and it may well be that history repeats itself again as to that.

Now the real acidic and in my view unjust attacks on Corbyn have become widespread, yet the policies remain in the planning stage with that base of respect for the dignity of the most vulnerable so I do consider a lot of the attacks as unfair.
I am quite thick skinned and believe me off here,even in my family they get it all guns blazing as to what I believe should be done.
However the written word is hard to express as to tone which is frustrating.

I am mystified anyone can call what this govt is doing as of merit and as to being successful,when all it is doing is executing a set of truly cowardly and bullying policies,designed to grind the most vulnerable into the ground they are walking on, to make the sick and disabled feel like second class citizens and then planning to build a surplus before you make sure 'all' are fully protected before you do the policies needed to bring a surplus about.
This govt acts with a pack mentality against the 'annoying to them' poorest and weakest, sick and disabled of the Nation.

A cowardly bunch of bullies who set out to make sure the strongest and richest get more or are protected while the weakest get ridiculed and crushed,
Yet you read from some, that is him and this vile govt doing good for the Country and worthy of praise and merit,even deemed as success.
Well it makes me feel ashamed and sick.
I said ages ago for his lack of any compassion and decency, this PM has brought down the office of PM of the UK and in my view will continue to do so right until at last he departs the political stage and hopefully for good.

Unfortunately leaving possibly as bad but even worse to come after him if the Theresa May, Osborne or Johnson take over after him.
So I will get behind Labour and Corbyn in the hope for more policies across the board of compassion, understanding, fairness,justice and respect for all citizens of the UK, and not just for the strongest and richest.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where are the examples that he is doing anything of merit for the country?

did you go to bed last night in a comfortable bed, under a strong roof, in a warm room, with food in your belly? Did your loved ones also enjoy that comfort? that is Cameron's job, to make sure that continues happening. so if the answer is yes, he is a success.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

did you go to bed last night in a comfortable bed, under a strong roof, in a warm room, with food in your belly? Did your loved ones also enjoy that comfort? that is Cameron's job, to make sure that continues happening. so if the answer is yes, he is a success.

That is the case for many absolutely however this man's policies are taking more and more of those beds away from those who are the weakest and poorest.
His obscene and unjust bedroom tax still causing massive problems for those at the fare end of the scale.
People he does not a thing to help with and indeed looks for more rotten policies to make their lives,whether they be poor or vulnerable or even sick and disabled a massive struggle.
Even removing care from those who need assistance at home
Inflicting more and more financial burdens on them and now even attempting to make the financial position of even those in the lowest paid work harder,with his tax credit cutting plan.

Now, as for those with great wealth and even multiple houses, he will certainly be ensuring that they have nothing to worry about and that 'all' their homes and room is every house can be heated,that they can for sure sleep easy knowing he will not be doing anything as to policy that will reduce their status in the slightest.

I had all the things you list in your post above,which I have had all my life so far anyway.
I don't consider them a success even if everyone did have such things, I consider them a right that should be there for all citizens of the UK,anyone of great wealth or virtually no wealt too.
However, I have got out there myself and found endless people now for who even what you list above is fast becoming a pipedream.
Many may have a warm bed but not a warm room or warm house, due to having to watch funding as for heating.
The bedroom tax still taking off people who are poorest who are then left with little for even food.

The facts that anyone, let alone rising numbers, are in that situation is a failure of any govt, the last one we had just as for this one now.
There is nothing successful about preserving peoples rights, that should always be the right and decent thing to do anyway by anyone in power.

To not make sure the most vulnerable are fully protected and not made worse by policy making should be the standard duty of every PM and govt. This one is making things harder for those most vulnerable,all across the board and they know it is too.

Plenty of charities and welfare groups have warned this govt over the last 3 years at least of the devastation of their polices on the weakest, they take not a blind bit of notice.
If that to anyone could be termed success,then I say never ever in my book, never anywhere at anytime.
It should be a national scandal in fact never mind even be just thought of as any kind of success.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

did you go to bed last night in a comfortable bed, under a strong roof, in a warm room, with food in your belly? Did your loved ones also enjoy that comfort? that is Cameron's job, to make sure that continues happening. so if the answer is yes, he is a success.

It's only by pure luck that I have been one of the lucky ones to keep my head above water if I'm honest.
As Joey said there are thousands that don't have the comfort of a 'home' as opposed to shelter due to Mr Cameron and the welfare reforms.
In this extremely wealthy country that is a damning indictment and proof of how ineffective he is.
If the country is burgeoning as is to be believed due to foreign investment then why are those at the poorest end of the spectrum being squeezed so mercilessly, why do austerity measures only apply to some people?

It's contradictory to harp on about the need to make tax credit savings and then reduce the higher rate of tax.
The warm bed scenario for many people is on a knife edge, the season of heat or eat is here again and many won't survive it.
I don't care if I'm accused of wringing my hands or whatever it's a fact that year on year the number of deaths across the UK attributed to living below the poverty line increases.