[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes that was live on TV

The corporals killings.

It was alleged the mob thought they were loyalists (the Michael Stone incident was just before) and dragged them from the car and killed them


That said the British Army said they were told to stay away from IRA funerals and they did not..

Oh well, they deserved to die then, right?

How about Warren Point? What was the justification for that?

Bloody Sunday was a despicable thing to have happened. But there were too many of victims of the Troubles, lots of innocent people died.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember a thread not too long ago about a Polish man who was jailed for his work in Auschwitz. A lot of opinion thought he should be allowed to live out his life regardless of the awful things in which he collaborated. When does that abdication of responsibility come in, exactly? How much time has to pass before something ceases to get headlines?

That would be me, I don't hold anyone accountable who follows the orders as given by a fascist regime.... and the same goes for what happened in Auschwitz.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember a thread not too long ago about a Polish man who was jailed for his work in Auschwitz. A lot of opinion thought he should be allowed to live out his life regardless of the awful things in which he collaborated. When does that abdication of responsibility come in, exactly? How much time has to pass before something ceases to get headlines?

The difference there is most people atleast had sympathy with the victims in that case, what I seem to be reading here is alot of excuses as to why it was OK for the British Army to kill Irish people because the IRA existed

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The difference there is most people atleast had sympathy with the victims in that case, what I seem to be reading here is alot of excuses as to why it was OK for the British Army to kill Irish people because the IRA existed

I don't think anyone's said it was okay for the British Army to kill Irish people. It was a terrible **** up and I have nothing but sympathy with the families who lost loved ones. There is no way of excusing what happened.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That would be me, I don't hold anyone accountable who follows the orders as given by a fascist regime.... and the same goes for what happened in Auschwitz.

As usual Kizzy, you overestimate your impact.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think anyone's said it was okay for the British Army to kill Irish people. It was a terrible **** up and I have nothing but sympathy with the families who lost loved ones. There is no way of excusing what happened.

I wasn't talking about you but certainly LT and kazanne both did that

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wasn't talking about you but certainly LT and kazanne both did that

I didn't say that Naimh,I said I had just been reading about it and asked what that was all about I was asking the question as I am not well read on the troubles

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I didn't say that Naimh,I said I had just been reading about it and asked what that was all about I was asking the question as I am not well read on the troubles

Your one and only post in the thread was to bring up killings of British soldiers by the IRA, not a single comment about the actual subject of the thread just a post on the side of the British Army....... mmhhmm

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

As usual Kizzy, you overestimate your impact.

No I remember the thread, and I was one of those who suggested he shouldn't be charged.
I wasn't suggesting for a second you were referring specifically to me.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Your one and only post in the thread was to bring up killings of British soldiers by the IRA, not a single comment about the actual subject of the thread just a post on the side of the British Army....... mmhhmm

I explained that it was weird this thread was here as I was just this afternoon reading about those two soldiers,I simply asked a question on what it was about as most of you seem to know about the troubles in NI,I don't

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I explained that it was weird this thread was here as I was just this afternoon reading about those two soldiers,I simply asked a question on what it was about as most of you seem to know about the troubles in NI,I don't

What Bloody Sunday was about? You never heard of it? U2 even wrote a song about it lol

[Kizzy]

You know, that's why google is your friend

[Crimson Dynamo]

"But Col Richard Kemp, a former commander of British forces in Afghanistan who served 8 tours in Northern Ireland in the 1980s and 1990s, said the arrest was “yet another example of this Government allowing British soldiers to be hounded through the courts”.

He said there had been “some very serious wrong doing on behalf of the British Army on Bloody Sunday, but also there was some pretty significant mitigation from the circumstances that they were operating under and direct provocation.”

He said blame should not only be directed at soldiers.

He said: “The spotlight, if anywhere, should fall upon the commanders, not just soldiers, and that includes some very, very senior officers.”
If the Government had released terrorists under the Good Friday peace agreement, then soldiers should not be prosecuted.

He said: “The Government has turned a blind eye to crimes that have been committed and allowed people who have been terrorist commanders to bet into positions of political power.

“If that has been right for the peace process, then it's not right in my view that soldiers should be hounded this way.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...shootings.html

[Niamh.]

[Niamh.]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1110/740...investigation/

It is believed the former soldier is also being questioned about the attempted murder of Mr Nash's father Alexander.

He came to the barrier to save his son but was shot in the arm and body.

It is understood the soldier gave evidence to the British government-commissioned inquiry into Bloody Sunday, undertaken by Lord Saville, under the cipher Lance Corporal J.

Kate Nash, William's sister, welcomed the development.

"We have always fought very hard to be treated equally within the justice system," she said.

"I see this as a positive step."

Thirteen people were killed by members of the Parachute Regiment on the day of the incident. Another victim of the shootings died in hospital four months later.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland's murder investigation into the events of Bloody Sunday was launched in 2012.

The probe was initiated after the Saville Inquiry found that none of victims was posing a threat to soldiers when they were shot.

Following the publication of the Saville report in 2010, British Prime Minister David Cameron apologised for the Army's actions, branding them "unjustified and unjustifiable".

In September, the PSNI announced its intention to interview seven former soldiers about their involvement on the day.

[Kizzy]

My feelings exactly, as in the case of the workers at Auschwitz those who give the orders are the guilty party.
It's not a case of murderers hiding behind uniforms, it's people being used as scapegoats and political pawns.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1110/740...investigation/

It is believed the former soldier is also being questioned about the attempted murder of Mr Nash's father Alexander.

He came to the barrier to save his son but was shot in the arm and body.

It is understood the soldier gave evidence to the British government-commissioned inquiry into Bloody Sunday, undertaken by Lord Saville, under the cipher Lance Corporal J.

Kate Nash, William's sister, welcomed the development.

"We have always fought very hard to be treated equally within the justice system," she said.

"I see this as a positive step."

Thirteen people were killed by members of the Parachute Regiment on the day of the incident. Another victim of the shootings died in hospital four months later.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland's murder investigation into the events of Bloody Sunday was launched in 2012.

The probe was initiated after the Saville Inquiry found that none of victims was posing a threat to soldiers when they were shot.

Following the publication of the Saville report in 2010, British Prime Minister David Cameron apologised for the Army's actions, branding them "unjustified and unjustifiable".

In September, the PSNI announced its intention to interview seven former soldiers about their involvement on the day.

Yes neem the enquiry stated that a few years ago, noone is disputing what happened just as noone is disputing that the so called IRA or common murdering criminals killed lots of innocent people because they wanted people to think how they thought and if you didnt then they would murder you

[Cherie]

lthough Ford decided that 1 Para should be deployed as an arrest force on 30 January 1972 in the event of rioting, Saville concluded "he neither knew nor had reason to know at any stage that his decision would or was likely to result in soldiers firing unjustifiably on that day".

• Evidence from soldiers to the inquiry that they had fired after coming under attack was rejected. "We have concluded that none of them fired in response to attacks or threatened attacks by nail or petrol bombers. No one threw or threatened to throw a nail or petrol bomb at the soldiers on Bloody Sunday."

• The credibility of the accounts given by the soldiers was "materially undermined" because all soldiers bar one who were responsible for the casualties "insisted that they had shot at gunmen or bombers, which they had not". Saville said: "Many of these soldiers have knowingly put forward false accounts in order to seek to justify their firing".


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/j...y-key-findings

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My feelings exactly, as in the case of the workers at Auschwitz those who give the orders are the guilty party.
It's not a case of murderers hiding behind uniforms, it's people being used as scapegoats and political pawns.

The soldiers has no orders to fire, yet they did, as well as on people running away they also fired on people tending to the dying.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What Bloody Sunday was about? You never heard of it? U2 even wrote a song about it lol

Well of course I have HEARD of it,but never really studied it,and what it was all about. Love me love me ,I'm thick!!!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"But Col Richard Kemp, a former commander of British forces in Afghanistan who served 8 tours in Northern Ireland in the 1980s and 1990s, said the arrest was “yet another example of this Government allowing British soldiers to be hounded through the courts”.

He said there had been “some very serious wrong doing on behalf of the British Army on Bloody Sunday, but also there was some pretty significant mitigation from the circumstances that they were operating under and direct provocation.”

He said blame should not only be directed at soldiers.

He said: “The spotlight, if anywhere, should fall upon the commanders, not just soldiers, and that includes some very, very senior officers.”
If the Government had released terrorists under the Good Friday peace agreement, then soldiers should not be prosecuted.

He said: “The Government has turned a blind eye to crimes that have been committed and allowed people who have been terrorist commanders to bet into positions of political power.

“If that has been right for the peace process, then it's not right in my view that soldiers should be hounded this way.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...shootings.html

With justifying anything that happened on Bloody Sunday, I agree with this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All this does is drag this back into the limelight. As with all situations like this the only solution is to forgive and forget

and move on

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The soldiers has no orders to fire, yet they did, as well as on people running away they also fired on people tending to the dying.

16 the Anti-Tank Platoon while they were still at the

17 Kells Walk wall, rests primarily on the testimony and

18 recollection of Soldier 027. Although the detail of his

19 account has changed from hearing a shout in 1972 to

20 receiving a radioed order from Major Loden in 1975, the

21 fact that an order was given and then repeated,

22 according to him, is one of the few common elements

23 running through the evidence that he has given.

24 With the possible exception of INQ635, no other

25 member of the Anti-Tank Platoon has given evidence of


1






1 hearing or being made aware of a ceasefire order while

2 they were at that wall

http://www.bloody-sunday-inquiry.org.uk/trans.html