[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It has EVERYTHING to do with your point actually.

Boothby - a woeful excuse for a politician - used his political position to associate with the type of people he REALLY admired, people who were like the REAL him.

Corbyn - a woeful excuse for a politician - used his political position to associate with the type of people he REALLY admired, people who were like the REAL him. Anti-Democratic, Anti-Semitic, Anti-Western Terrorists.

I'm sorry I really would rather you stick to the topic, involving analogy has never really worked for me.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Mohammed cannot attend any peace talks at the moment, he's busy in some shaded secluded corner of a Western City:

"I tell you Ahmed, we have a duty to slaughter these infidels. Allah decrees it"

"I know this brother.... But I am afraid... I am afraid that if we slaughter one of theirs, they will retaliate."

"And if they do, and kill one of ours, we will slaughter twenty... A hundred of theirs."

"But where will it end my brother? If we bomb their cities, their innocents...Will not they then bomb our lands? What of my own family? My mother and Father? I fear for them"

"You are weak Ahmed. It is dangerous to be weak. Weakness is a Western disease. It infects only pigs. You are a soldier of Allah my brother and must be strong. We Soldiers of Allah must be strong in our bodies, our hearts and our minds. We must have faith in almighty Allah. You should be ashamed."

"I am sorry for my weakness Mohammed. May almighty Allah forgive me... And you my brother. May you forgive me."

"That is alright Ahmed, you are but 13 years old. You can be forgiven..... Now, strap on your bomb belt and let us not waste one moment more. There is a crowded cafe around the corner where glory awaits you.... Hurry my brother."

Excellent post Kirk, if you want to learn about the real history of islam then try looking at the you tube clip as described below

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner"..

This describes in some detail the movements of Islam from 9th to 19th century . Have a look and then decide if you think this is a "peaceful" religion..

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you asking me a question or just involving me in your hypothetical?
There are two separate issues here, on one hand diplomats like Corbyn are criticised for attempting to forge some dialogue with certain groups, and on the other the rise of ISIS.
The two are totally independent of one another.

They are'nt seperate issues?Corbyn would more than likely love to sit down with ISIS and have a good old chin wagg.Unfortunately by doing so he would
A) Get nowhere
And
B) Show the world that terrorism gets you a platform to air your warped views

The only course of action against these terrorists is to destroy them or to weaken them into submission.However long it takes.It is a war that they started and they must face the consequences.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

They are'nt seperate issues?Corbyn would more than likely love to sit down with ISIS and have a good old chin wagg.Unfortunately by doing so he would
A) Get nowhere
And
B) Show the world that terrorism gets you a platform to air your warped views

The only course of action against these terrorists is to destroy them or to weaken them into submission.However long it takes.It is a war that they started and they must face the consequences.

They are separate as Corbyn hasn't attempted to talk with ISIS either....

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are separate as Corbyn hasn't attempted to talk with ISIS either....

I never said he did.
He would if he got the chance though........

And he would fail and he would be legitimising their actions.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I never said he did.
He would if he got the chance though........

And he would fail and he would be legitimising their actions.

And I never suggested you did, the thread has diverged into two however the ISIS threat and the unrelated discussions had by Mr Corbyn with other bodies. That's some supposition there NM.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This thread is descending into a Monty Python script.

Only PROBLEMS can be resolved by talking.

These terrorists have only one problem - How to rid the world of US -- in other words; anyone who does not believe what they believe.

How do you resolve that?

Sit down with them talk, then walk away to a respectable distance and behead yourself or blow yourself up?

I see posters coming soon from the deluded bleeding hearts:

"Support your favourite terrorists - give yourself a good old talking to then chop your own head off. Show them we care."

Hmmm that sounds familiar where have I heard that before?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The atrocities which have just happened in Paris are not a victory for the evil terrorists - they are a victory for every deluded, self-blind, ideological, liberal bleeding heart who for decades now have lambasted our lone voices crying in the wilderness when we warned of all this, and ridiculed our messages of truth as xenophobic and racist.

These 'bleeding hearts' have all been very successful. They have intimidated and bullied and frightened the majority - who DO agree with US - into silence, with their sermons on 'Political Correctness' because that majority dare not speak the truth for fear of being labelled xenophobic or racist.

Corbyn's election has figurehead of a major political party is the result of those decades of subversiveness just as the bombings and massacres across the 'Free' world are.

Did any of these terrorist bastards drop into Paris by parachute from ISIS Military Jets?

No, of course not.

The French LET them in. Welcomed them. Housed them, gave them benefits, educations, jobs.

Just like us.

Time for us to stop being so lily livered and kill these bastards

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And I never suggested you did, the thread has diverged into two however the ISIS threat and the unrelated discussions had by Mr Corbyn with other bodies. That's some supposition there NM.

The suggestion that Corbyn thinks that Jihadi John should have been arrested rather than killed was not brought up by me first but was totally related to the thread title.You are talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies.You raise a good point though.Corbyn would more than likely relish the chance of tea and Digestives with ISIS.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The suggestion that Corbyn thinks that Jihadi John should have been arrested rather than killed was not brought up by me first but was totally related to the thread title.You are talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies.You raise a good point though.Corbyn would more than likely relish the chance of tea and Digestives with ISIS.

I didn't raise the point of Corbyn speaking with ISIS...you did.
What is wrong with suggesting he was arrested, could it have prevented possible revenge attacks? We have yet to see.
I am not talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies at all I have expanded on the points raised relating to his past meetings in the spirit of peace and diplomacy ... again none of which were with ISIS.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I didn't raise the point of Corbyn speaking with ISIS...you did.
What is wrong with suggesting he was arrested, could it have prevented possible revenge attacks? We have yet to see.
I am not talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies at all I have expanded on the points raised relating to his past meetings in the spirit of peace and diplomacy ... again none of which were with ISIS.

Well what point were you raising and what exactly did it have to do with Jihadi John?I assumed you were talking about ISIS since that is what we're discussing here is'nt it?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Mitchell

Love that Corbyn is using this to try and get one over Cameron, yeah try and capture him and take him to trial, what the **** is he smoking? I'm not a Corbyn hater, but he sounds incredibly stupid.

Until you read this http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6733611.html because it seems the relatives of those who were murdered find no solace in giving Jihadi John the honourable killing – the sensational martyrdom - that he sought from the beginning.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well what point were you raising and what exactly did it have to do with Jihadi John?I assumed you were talking about ISIS since that is what we're discussing here is'nt it?

I am raising the issue that Corbyn and Corbyn supporters increasingly seem to be accused of sympathising with ISIS.
What purpose did killing him serve? A captive terrorist is a contained powder keg.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm sorry I really would rather you stick to the topic, involving analogy has never really worked for me.

Apart from when you're "relating to his past meetings in the spirit of peace and diplomacy ... again none of which were with ISIS.".......

And have nothing to do with Jihadi John whatsoever...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am raising the issue that Corbyn and Corbyn supporters increasingly seem to be accused of sympathising with ISIS.
What purpose did killing him serve? A captive terrorist is a contained powder keg.

Well i do not think Corbyn supporters sympathise with ISIS.Well maybe some do but as a whole i'd say not.Corbyn on the other hand i'm not so sure.

As for killing Jihadi John.He was taken out in the most efficient way possible without any American soldiers dying in the process.My point that i raised earlier was that if Corbyn had his way and was in control of the military he would risk the lives of soldiers needlessly in order to get Jihadi John into a courtroom.That alone imo makes him unfit to lead a country and its armed forces.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Apart from when you're "relating to his past meetings in the spirit of peace and diplomacy ... again none of which were with ISIS.".......

And have nothing to do with Jihadi John whatsoever...

I related Corbyns work as a international diplomat to the discussion yes. The comparison of Corbyn to some MP who campaigned on behalf of the Kray twins is not relevant here no, not as I see it.

He has made comments relating to jihadi john, but as I said earlier the two are separate issues as I see them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well i do not think Corbyn supporters sympathise with ISIS.Well maybe some do but as a whole i'd say not.Corbyn on the other hand i'm not so sure.

As for killing Jihadi John.He was taken out in the most efficient way possible without any American soldiers dying in the process.My point that i raised earlier was that if Corbyn had his way and was in control of the military he would risk the lives of soldiers needlessly in order to get Jihadi John into a courtroom.That alone imo makes him unfit to lead a country and its armed forces.

You are welcome to think that, my feeling is that by killing him we have sealed our fate as a direct target.
It may have been seen as unavoidable but personally I think it was a mistake.
Not getting him in a courtroom could have already cost over 100 innocent French people their lives.

[bots]

The event in Paris would have been planned will in advance of any strike on Jihadi John. It was Friday the 13th.

I personally don't like the triumphalist stance of the USA. They could just have let the Jihadi John killing pass, and then say later down the line when they were sure of their facts one way or another that they had taken him out. They look like complete fools now in my opinion.

[billy123]

I see the right wing nutters are out in force all the talk of murdering people for their actions makes you no better than they are.
Call me a bleeding heart all you want at least i have a heart. Call me a looney left all you like while you let yourself down by calling for the blood of others just like they call for yours.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are welcome to think that, my feeling is that by killing him we have sealed our fate as a direct target.
It may have been seen as unavoidable but personally I think it was a mistake.
Not getting him in a courtroom could have already cost over 100 innocent French people their lives.

My personal feeling is that the Paris attack would have happened anyway.If it was revenge for Jihadi John it seems very quick off the mark.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

My personal feeling is that the Paris attack would have happened anyway.If it was revenge for Jihadi John it seems very quick off the mark.

I agree with this it was far too coordinated, Is there even a game at the Stade de France every Friday ...this was a well planned attack just like all the others

[Kizzy]

I did say could...
I agree that the grandstanding could be seen as a challenge.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bobnot

I see the right wing nutters are out in force all the talk of murdering people for their actions makes you no better than they are.
Call me a bleeding heart all you want at least i have a heart. Call me a looney left all you like while you let yourself down by calling for the blood of others just like they call for yours.

MLK could say that back then.


Now Brits and Americans hostages got the Heads Cut off
Live on the Internet,

So Killing this London Evil Kid was the only way
of course once they do confirm 100%
he is dead

[DemolitionRed]

Lets remember that Jihadi John was merely a symbol of IS. He had no specialist skills, he had no ranking significance within IS but was just used as a side show by both IS and the west.

Whilst the death of Jihadi John may be seen as a prise for the west, I doubt his death has made a mark on IS or the people of Syria. This strategic infiltration by the Americans is impressive but I doubt this entire plot was to kill Jahadi John; it was about taking out an entire IS holding.

[Northern Monkey]

BBC News saying so far one French National suspected and a Syrian passport found near one of the terrorists.

Possibly the Syrians coming in with the refugees and meeting up with one or more French nationals who would know in more detail where the targets were?


EDIT:Sorry wrong thread.I'll copy to the correct one.