[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

How can ANYONE misrepresent the fact that Muhammud INITIATED JIHAD, incorporated it into the QRAN, and that MUSLIMS carried it out for 1400 years?

Are you DENYING EVERY SINGLE COPY of the QURAN itself?

Are you denying the HISTORICAL RECORDS of MUSLIMS themselves?

This is yet more sad deflection, and I for one would be pleased if you merely addressed my post. It was you after all who said you would welcome anyone debating with you.

To play devil's abracadabra... Perhaps people can "misrepresent" that fact in exactly the same way that members of every other religion misrepresent, reinterpret, or outright deny large chunks of their holy texts which are just as out there bat**** bonkers?

You know, like the Christians who want to pretend that it's suddenly OK to be gay or that we shouldn't kill adulterers, or that there aren't countless examples of God being petty, vengeful and violent, etc., or that there hasn't been oceans of blood spilled in the name of Christianity, When it's all quite clearly written there in black and white?

Not that I'm actually defending the Quran here or any other aspect of Islam or any other religion... I'm just saying, there's this hilarious hypocrisy afoot here in the West when people bleat "look! Look what it says in this evil Muslim book!!" and insist upon taking every word literally, whilst at the same time insisting blue-in-the-face that their own violent little book is "open to interpretation"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To play devil's abracadabra... Perhaps people can "misrepresent" that fact in exactly the same way that members of every other religion misrepresent, reinterpret, or outright deny large chunks of their holy texts which are just as out there bat**** bonkers?

You know, like the Christians who want to pretend that it's suddenly OK to be gay or that we shouldn't kill adulterers, or that there aren't countless examples of God being petty, vengeful and violent, etc., or that there hasn't been oceans of blood spilled in the name of Christianity, When it's all quite clearly written there in black and white?

Not that I'm actually defending the Quran here or any other aspect of Islam or any other religion... I'm just saying, there's this hilarious hypocrisy afoot here in the West when people bleat "look! Look what it says in this evil Muslim book!!" and insist upon taking every word literally, whilst at the same time insisting blue-in-the-face that their own violent little book is "open to interpretation"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To play devil's abracadabra... Perhaps people can "misrepresent" that fact in exactly the same way that members of every other religion misrepresent, reinterpret, or outright deny large chunks of their holy texts which are just as out there bat**** bonkers?

You know, like the Christians who want to pretend that it's suddenly OK to be gay or that we shouldn't kill adulterers, or that there aren't countless examples of God being petty, vengeful and violent, etc., or that there hasn't been oceans of blood spilled in the name of Christianity, When it's all quite clearly written there in black and white?

Not that I'm actually defending the Quran here or any other aspect of Islam or any other religion... I'm just saying, there's this hilarious hypocrisy afoot here in the West when people bleat "look! Look what it says in this evil Muslim book!!" and insist upon taking every word literally, whilst at the same time insisting blue-in-the-face that their own violent little book is "open to interpretation"

Good luck, been trying to hammer that point home for days

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To play devil's abracadabra... Perhaps people can "misrepresent" that fact in exactly the same way that members of every other religion misrepresent, reinterpret, or outright deny large chunks of their holy texts which are just as out there bat**** bonkers?

You know, like the Christians who want to pretend that it's suddenly OK to be gay or that we shouldn't kill adulterers, or that there aren't countless examples of God being petty, vengeful and violent, etc., or that there hasn't been oceans of blood spilled in the name of Christianity, When it's all quite clearly written there in black and white?

Not that I'm actually defending the Quran here or any other aspect of Islam or any other religion... I'm just saying, there's this hilarious hypocrisy afoot here in the West when people bleat "look! Look what it says in this evil Muslim book!!" and insist upon taking every word literally, whilst at the same time insisting blue-in-the-face that their own violent little book is "open to interpretation"

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To play devil's abracadabra... Perhaps people can "misrepresent" that fact in exactly the same way that members of every other religion misrepresent, reinterpret, or outright deny large chunks of their holy texts which are just as out there bat**** bonkers?

You know, like the Christians who want to pretend that it's suddenly OK to be gay or that we shouldn't kill adulterers, or that there aren't countless examples of God being petty, vengeful and violent, etc., or that there hasn't been oceans of blood spilled in the name of Christianity, When it's all quite clearly written there in black and white?

Not that I'm actually defending the Quran here or any other aspect of Islam or any other religion... I'm just saying, there's this hilarious hypocrisy afoot here in the West when people bleat "look! Look what it says in this evil Muslim book!!" and insist upon taking every word literally, whilst at the same time insisting blue-in-the-face that their own violent little book is "open to interpretation"

The question of violence within the Holy Books of all religions in general has NOTHING whatsover to do with the subjects under 'debate' (Lol ) on this thread - which is specifically Islamic terrorism and Jihad - and if you want to debate Christianity or the contents of the Judeo Christian bible, why don't you start a seperate thread and I will gladly contribute to it.

We have, however, debated/discussed/argued the above subjects several times on other threads but I am willing to retread that path if you like.



The violence in the 3,500 year old Old Testament is 'close ended' violence which is 'of its time' and 'era specific'.

Where today are there any 'Amorites' or 'Perizites' for Christians or Jews to go out and slay?

The Quran, however contains over 160 commands for its followers to go out and behead and slay, in addition to other commands to abduct and sell into slavery.

Whilst there have been, and still are, inhuman extremists who claim to be 'Christian', just as there have always been, and still are, inhuman extremists who are atheists, in light of the terrible atrocities being perpetrated over most of the globe by inhuman extremists who claim to be Muslim, it is absolutely ridiculous and infantile to jocularly suggest that any person of other faiths who condemn it or even discuss it, are hypocrites.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The question of violence within the Holy Books of all religions in general has NOTHING whatsover to do with the subjects under 'debate' (Lol ) on this thread - which is specifically Islamic terrorism and Jihad - and if you want to debate Christianity or the contents of the Judeo Christian bible, why don't you start a seperate thread and I will gladly contribute to it.

We have, however, debated/discussed/argued the above subjects several times on other threads but I am willing to retread that path if you like.



The violence in the 3,500 year old Old Testament is 'close ended' violence which is 'of its time' and 'era specific'.

Where today are there any 'Amorites' or 'Perizites' for Christians or Jews to go out and slay?

The Quran, however contains over 160 commands for its followers to go out and behead and slay, in addition to other commands to abduct and sell into slavery.

Whilst there have been, and still are, inhuman extremists who claim to be 'Christian', just as there have always been, and still are, inhuman extremists who are atheists, in light of the terrible atrocities being perpetrated over most of the globe by inhuman extremists who claim to be Muslim, it is absolutely ridiculous and infantile to jocularly suggest that any person of other faiths who condemn it or even discuss it, are hypocrites.

The subject of the thread is how you would deal with terrorism if you were leader of the US or EU... Nothing to do with Islam or Jihad