[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

disgusting greedy junior doctors.....they just want their double pay at weekends, if people die from neglect here should be charged with manslaughter

No. Disgusting self-serving Jeremy Hunt. He could easily raise the top rate of tax by say, 2%, to pay for many aspects that are being cut under current plans.. but he knows that his party is funded by very rich individuals and he doesn't want to upset them so he continues his austerity programme even though it is proven to have a negative impact on working people while also raising unemployment and thus hindering growth.

We have a right to strike when an employer treats us unfairly in this country, and the junior doctors are exercising that right. We must support them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No. Disgusting self-serving Jeremy Hunt. He could easily raise the top rate of tax by say, 2%, to pay for many aspects that are being cut under current plans.. but he knows that his party is funded by very rich individuals and he doesn't want to upset them so he continues his austerity programme even though it is proven to have a negative impact on working people while also raising unemployment and thus hindering growth.

We have a right to strike when an employer treats us unfairly in this country, and the junior doctors are exercising that right. We must support them.

10000s die because doctors wont work weekends....100000s more will die because junior doctors are striking not to work weekends.....these scumbags have blood on their hands

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No. Disgusting self-serving Jeremy Hunt. He could easily raise the top rate of tax by say, 2%, to pay for many aspects that are being cut under current plans.. but he knows that his party is funded by very rich individuals and he doesn't want to upset them so he continues his austerity programme even though it is proven to have a negative impact on working people while also raising unemployment and thus hindering growth.

We have a right to strike when an employer treats us unfairly in this country, and the junior doctors are exercising that right. We must support them.

Well said again and in my opinion 100% correct as well.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No. Disgusting self-serving Jeremy Hunt. He could easily raise the top rate of tax by say, 2%, to pay for many aspects that are being cut under current plans.. but he knows that his party is funded by very rich individuals and he doesn't want to upset them so he continues his austerity programme even though it is proven to have a negative impact on working people while also raising unemployment and thus hindering growth.

We have a right to strike when an employer treats us unfairly in this country, and the junior doctors are exercising that right. We must support them.

An excellent post. I think that raising the top rate of tax is THE most sensible solution to this country's problems. I do not believe in 'soaking the rich' because it does NOT work, but there is a 'tipping point' at which it becomes an obscenity for the really high income earners to enjoy lenient taxation when two thirds of the population have now NO disposable income left from their hard-earned pay after paying living expenses for living frugally.

A lot of the top earners not only have massive incomes in their own right but enjoy huge fortunes in Inherited Wealth on top of which they add to by being able to save because there are only so many houses, luxury goods, and other trappings even the most extravagant of wealthy people can own, then that high income is virtually all 'disposable' after living expenses.

The super rich, benefit also because they can afford to pay highly skilled accountants to handle their income, saved wealth, and investments to keep as much of it out of the taxman's hands as possible.

I remember one year when I was young and working 60 hours + per work (saving for a deposit for a house purchase) I paid MORE income tax, than HM The Queen (Ł4 Billion net worth) and her pal Lord Vestey who had a million plus income and over Ł700 million net worth at the time.

ALL governments in the UK have always paid 'Lip Service' to true equity when it comes to its citizens - usually doing enough to satisfy the 'working classes' whilst still favouring the 'elite' - but there comes a point where pandering to GREED by increasing NEED is what the abhorrent Edward Heath in one of his more 'decent' moments, called 'The Unacceptable Face of Capitalism'.

I see no reason why Junior Doctors, Nurses, Surgeons, Policemen or the Military - among others - should not be fairly renumerated for their jobs and overtime worked and no reason why they should be emotionally blackmailed and have their conscience pricked just because they are in 'Public Service' professions.

Vocation or no Vocation - they all still have to eat and live.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I see no reason why Junior Doctors, Nurses, Surgeons, Policemen or the Military - among others - should not be fairly renumerated for their jobs and overtime worked and no reason why they should be emotionally blackmailed and have their conscience pricked just because they are in 'Public Service' professions.

Vocation or no Vocation - they all still have to eat and live.

I couldn't agree more Kirk- people expect public sector workers just to lay down and take whatever is thrown at them. I expect people will complain about the lives that are lost due to overworked and tired doctors making mistakes- "the negligent, incompetent b*st*rds!".

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

I couldn't agree more Kirk- people expect public sector workers just to lay down and take whatever is thrown at them. I expect people will complain about the lives that are lost due to overworked and tired doctors making mistakes- "the negligent, incompetent b*st*rds!".

Thank you APWD - It's nice to be appreciated. People should remember whose fault it is that this problem has escalated to this stage in the first place.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Thank you APWD - It's nice to be appreciated. People should remember whose fault it is that this problem has escalated to this stage in the first place.

what a lot of nonsense this thread is all this self pity for public sector workers
doctors get a higher basic wage than the prime minister, chief executives get 3 times the prime ministers wage ....even the so called lower paid get quality public sector pensions, infinitely better than most business owners get,,,,,,,,,,,,but lets ignore that in cowardly fashion and all agree with the poor me public sector agenda...don't like it? take some risks that make you accountable and join the private sector

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

what a lot of nonsense this thread is all this self pity for public sector workers
doctors get a higher basic wage than the prime minister, chief executives get 3 times the prime ministers wage ....even the so called lower paid get quality public sector pensions, infinitely better than most business owners get,,,,,,,,,,,,but lets ignore that in cowardly fashion and all agree with the poor me public sector agenda...don't like it? take some risks that make you accountable and join the private sector

We do not often disagree Truth, but here I'm afraid we are Poles apart. I do not think you read my original post on this subject so I replicate it here. Read it, then please give me your response so I can reply to it:

"....I think that raising the top rate of tax is THE most sensible solution to this country's problems. I do not believe in 'soaking the rich' because it does NOT work, but there is a 'tipping point' at which it becomes an obscenity for the really high income earners to enjoy lenient taxation when two thirds of the population have now NO disposable income left from their hard-earned pay after paying living expenses for living frugally.

A lot of the top earners not only have massive incomes in their own right but enjoy huge fortunes in Inherited Wealth on top of which they add to by being able to save because there are only so many houses, luxury goods, and other trappings even the most extravagant of wealthy people can own, then that high income is virtually all 'disposable' after living expenses.

The super rich, benefit also because they can afford to pay highly skilled accountants to handle their income, saved wealth, and investments to keep as much of it out of the taxman's hands as possible.

I remember one year when I was young and working 60 hours + per work (saving for a deposit for a house purchase) I paid MORE income tax, than HM The Queen (Ł4 Billion net worth) and her pal Lord Vestey who had a million plus income and over Ł700 million net worth at the time.

ALL governments in the UK have always paid 'Lip Service' to true equity when it comes to its citizens - usually doing enough to satisfy the 'working classes' whilst still favouring the 'elite' - but there comes a point where pandering to GREED by increasing NEED is what the abhorrent Edward Heath in one of his more 'decent' moments, called 'The Unacceptable Face of Capitalism'.

I see no reason why Junior Doctors, Nurses, Surgeons, Policemen or the Military - among others - should not be fairly renumerated for their jobs and overtime worked and no reason why they should be emotionally blackmailed and have their conscience pricked just because they are in 'Public Service' professions.

Vocation or no Vocation - they all still have to eat and live."

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

what a lot of nonsense this thread is all this self pity for public sector workers
doctors get a higher basic wage than the prime minister, chief executives get 3 times the prime ministers wage ....even the so called lower paid get quality public sector pensions, infinitely better than most business owners get,,,,,,,,,,,,but lets ignore that in cowardly fashion and all agree with the poor me public sector agenda...don't like it? take some risks that make you accountable and join the private sector

Sorry what?.....
You argue that people are dying due to lack of adequate care and yet you advocate that nobody without access to private care should receive treatment then basically.
Do you realise how many hundreds of thousands would die then?