[Denver]

Originally Posted by lostalex

can't we get a hold of the chinese manufactures that make Korans, and put some kind of poison in them?

we should find a way to make the toxic religion ACTUALLY TOXIC.

Why are you calling all Muslims toxic?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Why are you calling all Muslims toxic?

i didn't. i called the ideology/religion toxic, which it is. it is homophobic, it is mysogynistic, it is a hate group, that spreads hate of other religions, and other ideologies. it is TOXIC by any definition. it's evil.

The people aren't evil, the thinking/beliefs/ideologies are though.

stop treating ignorant hateful people with kid gloves. until you fully criticize their ideology they can't be defeated. pretending like it's okay for them to say that gay people should be killed, that gay people are evil, that women should be subservient to men, that women are under men. they will never learn.

most muslims like most christians aren't religious at all, fine. but are they really religious then?

and if you don't really believe in the religion, then fine, say that. BE HONEST THAT YOU DON'T REALY BELIEVE IN THE RELIGION.

it's time to make people be honest about what they really are and what they really believe. because these BELIEFS are getting people KILLED.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think this bombing and stuff does any good. It will risk lives, but I really do feel we need feet on the ground in these countries. By endlessly dropping bombs, we cannot be sure we are not killing innocents, while it may not be reported, I am quite sure a fair few have been killed recently.

Corbyn could not defeat this in a vote, IMO. Too many of his party agree with it.

Thing is, you put our troops on those same city streets, you're gonna see ISIS launching attacks daily against them, killing them and a lot more civilians than bombing from afar.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i didn't. i called the ideology/religion toxic, which it is. it is homophobic, it is mysogynistic, it is a hate group, that spreads hate of other religions, and other ideologies. it is TOXIC by any definition. it's evil.

The people aren't evil, the thinking/beliefs/ideologies are though.

stop treating ignorant hateful people with kid gloves. until you fully criticize their ideology they can't be defeated. pretending like it's okay for them to say that gay people should be killed, that gay people are evil, that women should be subservient to men, that women are under men. they will never learn.

most muslims like most christians aren't religious at all, fine. but are they really religious then?

and if you don't really believe in the religion, then fine, say that. BE HONEST THAT YOU DON'T REALY BELIEVE IN THE RELIGION.

it's time to make people be honest about what they really are and what they really believe. because these BELIEFS are getting people KILLED.

See, this is what comes from lack of understanding and unfortunately there seems to be a lot of this sort of talk going on at the moment.

ISIS are Wahhabi and Wahhabis believe all Suffis and Shi'ite should die. Sufis and Shi'ites are Muslim too, but their only similarity is, their following of Allah and the same prophet; be that in a different way.

Wahhabism started in the Saudi desserts long after the Quran was written and came from a Takfir some random nutter called Abd al Wahhabi was wandering around with after being evicted from his homeland. That Takfir was adopted by a corrupt and notorious warmongering Bedouin tribe led by Ibn Saud...a direct descendant of the Saudi Royals of today and used to rape pillage and plunder under the banner of Jihad.

Back in the 18th century the Ottoman empire eventually pushed these Wahhbis back into the desert and there they stayed until the West brought their billions in exchange for oil and made a direct descendant of Ibn Saud the Saudi king.

The Saud family became spoilt with riches and abandoned a lot of the Wahhabi philosophy but the Bedouin tribes that remained in the Saudi dessert remained true to their cause and this is where ISIS reared its ugly head. ISIS is nothing new, its done all this before but last time it didn't have medium range missiles, armoured tanks or kalashnikovs.
This is why Saudi is arming them. The Saudi's are both terrified and in admiration of these warmongers.

Wahhabi is an offshoot of Sunni but that doesn't make the Sunni's Wahhabis. Shi'ite and Sufi are the Muslims who have directly suffered in the hands of the Wahhabis.

This is why the West don't go in and destroy and murder anyone who carries a Quran because most of the Islam world never wanted Jihad but had no choice but to raise alternative armies when ISIS reared its ugly head against them.

[arista]

Some Labour people
say they think its up to the Cabinet
not a Free Vote.

Thats sounds so Wrong


Ref: Marr BBC1

[arista]

with so many Nations Bombing
they are not decreasing
so who the hell are USA and Russia bombing?

[arista]

Owen Jones
was on a debate about this topic
on BBC1 Sunday Morning Live.


a Vicar said he is ok with the Bombing
so long has knows the Plan?


Any Plan
will change every month


Isis want this
they will say we are the Crusaders
Killing Muslims

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

with so many Nations Bombing
they are not decreasing
so who the hell are USA and Russia bombing?

This is straight out of Syria but only up to 20th October

The first Russian raid on Raqqa city was on 17th of September this year, before the official announcement for the Russian attacks in Syrian space, the raids targeted many locations in the city and it was (Jawd Anzoor school – the Real Estate – Aldrae’a neighborhood next to the directorate of feed – Alfardos neighborhood next to Sada internet café – hospital of obstetrics – the industrial area) and it led to a nearly 40 martyrs and 75 wounded among civilians

September 21st, the Russian aviation carried out 12 air strikes targeted many of sites in the city ( Alzahra’a school at Althakaneh neighborhood – the summer hall for Alkarnak hotel at Althakaneh neighborhood – the garage of the fire extinguishing, Alquadisia Sq. Alromania neighborhood – Alforosia area – the yellow warhous – Almashleb neighborhood – the national hospital) , these raids have left 22 martyrs in addition to the 50 injured, all of them civilians.

September 24th, the Russian aviation carried out 2 air strikes on Ma’adan city east of Raqqa city which cause the martyrdom of one person and the injured of other five of the civilians.

September 26th, the Russian aviation attacked Ma’adan city again with two air strikes it led to the 2 martyrs and 4 wounded among civilians

September 29th the Russian aviation carried out a raid on the sides of the city from the eastern side, the raid did not result in any material or human damage, while some sources that close from the regime said that four members from ISIS were killed, but the reporter of the RBSS confirmed that the targeted location was evacuated in an earlier period as a result of targeted repeatedly by the international coalition aviation

This October 1st, the Russian aviation carried out many night raids on a location for ISIS west of Raqqa city, they also targeted the avant-garde camp south of the city, which led to the killing of a number of ISIS members known of them (Abo Bilal the Tunisian) that known as a one of ISIS member who participated in arresting the Jordanian pilot Moa’az Kasasbeh

October 7th The fall of the Scud missile on the Sides of Altabqa city west of Raqqa, believed to be a missile which was shoot from the Caspian Sea by the Russian Navy, where they found the remains of the missile and the writings on it was by the Russian language .
The missile has led to a large mass in the place where it fell, despite the fact that the area is far from the city and from any of ISIS headquarters.

October -13th, a long – range missile targeted a gas station (Alrawi station) on the international road Raqqa-Aleppo, which led to the martyrdom of 5 civilians http://www.raqqa-sl.com/en/?p=1515

ISIS deaths 4
Civilian deaths 70
ISIS sites bombed 2
Civilian sites bombed 22

[MTVN]

'as a result for this reality ISIS realized that the Russian aviation is like the Syrian one doesn’t constitute a major threat to the members and locations'

So that's why IS' response to Russia's strikes was to bomb a commercial plane full of its civilians. That article alone is not exactly a great basis to draw conclusions about the impact of Russia's intervention.

[DemolitionRed]

This reporting coming directly our of Syria though. They seem to know what is being bombed better than the West.

These reporters are certainly not IS supporters.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This reporting coming directly our of Syria though. They seem to know what is being bombed better than the West.

These reporters are certainly not IS supporters.

the Americans with their satellite technology have acknowledged that the Russians have been hitting IS, they just believe that they are also hitting all Syrian opposition forces. That report could easily be from other Syrian opposition supporters