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Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My in-laws are the same with their two dogs, made only slightly better by the fact that they're just little Jack Russells and have a decent sized garden to run around in whenever they want. But we walk them whenever we're down there (they live in Engerland) and they're always so happy to get out for a walk

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I don't get it really. Why get dogs if you don't want to take them out? It's like people who get cats and then keep them indoors as "house cats"

. I hear a million and one excuses for that but there just isn't one. Cats love being outdoors. It's what they live for. If you live somewhere that it's not possible for them to be out hunting / exploring, don't get a damned cat.

My cat is a mainly indoor cat, Gav built an enclosure for him at the side of the house that he can go in and out of from a window, we also leave him out in the garden when we're out there as he can only get out of the garden one way (through the gate) he's far too lazy to attempt jumping the fence.

You're completely wrong when you say people make up excuses because they live somewhere where a cat can't go outside by the way, I live in the country. The breeder I got my cat from specifically requests people she's selling kittens to to keep them as indoor cats

Lostie! · 23-11-2015, 11:57 AM

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It's like people who get cats and then keep them indoors as "house cats"

. I hear a million and one excuses for that but there just isn't one. Cats love being outdoors. It's what they live for. If you live somewhere that it's not possible for them to be out hunting / exploring, don't get a damned cat.

Nonsense. My cat was absolutely an indoor cat, she'd go out briefly every now and again and in no time she'd be back sitting on the doorstep waiting to get in. We never once stopped her from going out, she simply didn't want to for the vast majority of the time. To force her out for long periods of time when she didn't want to be would have itself been cruelty.

Perhaps try to stick to speaking from your own experiences and refrain from acting like you know what applies to everyone and everything else. You certainly don't, I can assure you that.

user104658 · 23-11-2015, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

Nonsense. My cat was absolutely an indoor cat, she'd go out briefly every now and again and in no time she'd be back sitting on the doorstep waiting to get in. We never once stopped her from going out, she simply didn't want to for the vast majority of the time. To force her out for long periods of time when she didn't want to be would have itself been cruelty.

Perhaps try to stick to speaking from your own experiences and refrain from acting like you know what applies to everyone and everything else. You certainly don't, I can assure you that.

Where did I say anything about forcing them out? If they have access to the outdoors and prefer to be in that's one thing. Specifically KEEPING them indoors - blocking them from getting out even if they want to - is cruel. And selfish. It's getting and owning an animal for ones own enjoyment whilst disregarding what's best for that animal.

Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where did I say anything about forcing them out? If they have access to the outdoors and prefer to be in that's one thing. Specifically KEEPING them indoors - blocking them from getting out even if they want to - is cruel. And selfish. It's getting and owning an animal for ones own enjoyment whilst disregarding what's best for that animal.

You could apply the same rule to dogs and people who let them in their gardens and not roam the streets free

Lostie! · 23-11-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where did I say anything about forcing them out? If they have access to the outdoors and prefer to be in that's one thing. Specifically KEEPING them indoors - blocking them from getting out even if they want to - is cruel. And selfish. It's getting and owning an animal for ones own enjoyment whilst disregarding what's best for that animal.

You rather clearly suggested a belief that indoor cats simply don't exist and that all cats in general want to be outside on a regular basis. If you made it clear you were only referring to people who do keep their cats indoors against their will then that would be all fine and dandy, but that's not the suggestion you made at all.

For what it's worth, I agree with your point raised in this reply, but it's important to acknowledge that this doesn't apply to all cats.

user104658 · 23-11-2015, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

You could apply the same rule to dogs and people who let them in their gardens and not roam the streets free

Cats and dogs have completely different psychology though, dogs are pack animals and (in general) want to be in close proximity to their pack leader (in the case of domestic dogs, their owner) whereas cats are solo hunters and (in general) crave the freedom to roam / climb / explore etc.

In general.

I will add "in general" to every post similar to these in future in case someone gets upset about their emo pets that just HAVE to buck the trend.

Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Cats and dogs have completely different psychology though, dogs are pack animals and (in general) want to be in close proximity to their pack leader (in the case of domestic dogs, their owner) whereas cats are solo hunters and (in general) crave the freedom to roam / climb / explore etc.

In general.

I will add "in general" to every post similar to these in future in case someone gets upset about their emo pets that just HAVE to buck the trend.

If people let their dogs roam free they would form packs with other dogs regardless of whether their owner was the alpha at home or not.

Anyway like I said the breeder that I got my cat from won't sell you a kitten if you tell her that it will be an outdoor cat. I definitely do think that cats should spend some time outside which is why Gav built the enclosure for him and I let him in the garden. I know If I let him outside fulltime though he wouldn't last too long, he's too trusting and slobbish

Speaking of dogs wanting to be close to their owners though my "emo" cat follows me around the house

They say Maine Coons are quite "dog like" personality wise though

Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 01:42 PM

Also can I add the life expectancy of an outdoor cat is 1-5 years where as an indoor cat has a life expectancy of 12-20 years

Lostie! · 23-11-2015, 01:48 PM

Yep, any cat that prefers spending time indoors is just trying to buck the trend. Wise words right there.

Kizzy · 23-11-2015, 01:52 PM

Clean up in here again please, thread hijacked by mad cat people

Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 01:53 PM

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Clean up in here again please, thread hijacked by mad cat people

I think this deserves it's own thread actually

Will. · 23-11-2015, 02:02 PM

Your cat is so cute Niamh!

user104658 · 23-11-2015, 02:05 PM

Wtf is this Niamh you're supposed to back me up! We a free e Tibb soul mates no longer. Hashtag heartbroken.

(p.s. My cat growing up was an outdoor cat and lived until 16, though he barely went out fromfrom about 12+... Ans my wife's outdoor cat died at 22! So... Hah!)

Liam- · 23-11-2015, 02:08 PM

All of my cats are outdoor cats, two of them quite often spend the night out as well as the day, but one of them just spends the day out and comes home to sleep, I don't think people who keep their cats as indoor cats are selfish, just a little bit mad to put up with them 24/7

My oldest cat is 8 years old and she's always been an outdoor cat.

arista · 23-11-2015, 02:09 PM

Cats still need to go in the Garden
and become little tigers Killing Birds

Life In The Fast Lane

LukeB · 23-11-2015, 02:10 PM

No, my cat is an indoor cat and he seems happy, I've tried to get him to go outside but he doesn't want to unless he has a harness on.

Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wtf is this Niamh you're supposed to back me up! We a free e Tibb soul mates no longer. Hashtag heartbroken.

(p.s. My cat growing up was an outdoor cat and lived until 16, though he barely went out fromfrom about 12+... Ans my wife's outdoor cat died at 22! So... Hah!)

Well clearly those two cats were Emo cats

but yeah, this may be our first disagreement :'(

Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Will1999

Your cat is so cute Niamh!

Thanks Will

Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Cats still need to go in the Garden
and become little tigers Killing Birds

Life In The Fast Lane

My cat does go in the garden but only when someone is outside with him

Kizzy · 23-11-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think this deserves it's own thread actually

I was only joking... or maybe I am all powerful muhahahahaha!!!!!

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Niamh. · 23-11-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I was only joking... or maybe I am all powerful muhahahahaha!!!!!

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We did hijack the thread lol, no harm for another one to be made

Kazanne · 23-11-2015, 02:18 PM

I don't have a cat anymore,but when I did they came in and went out,whenever they wanted as we had a catflap, they also had their own little shed,so the choice was really theirs.