[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

My 'MONOLOGUES' are written with far more clarity, and with a far greater command of the English Language, and with a far greater knowledge of the subject matter, and with far greater fairness and objectivity than any skewed far left confused propaganda written by you.

YOU posed a question - ridiculous as it was - now you are being personally insulting and ignorant because the responses expose the flaws in your views.

Again, you stick to your - glaringly wrong - contentions no matter how many times they are SHOWN to be wrong, but that is par for the course with you.

Now I will put you on permanent ignore because you do not seek debate, you seek a platform where all other views are none forthcoming because by guile and stealth and deviousness, you have frightened away all other posters who do not agree with your ridiculous views lest they be infracted and banned.

YOU get personal AND offensive and falsely accuse, but then how are us lesser Tibb members to answer your continual rubbish accusations and defend ourselves and our viewpoint if we are to be continually blamed and infracted for doing so?

'With all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?'


You respond here with a query relating to a political party, I suggested I don't feel the two are comparable, therefore we disagree and have reached an impasse.

[Cherie]

I think the premise of the advert was to focus on some spirituality in the run up to Christmas and to counteract the mass commercialism whilst also attracting some younger people back to the Church, some might say money well spent if it were to boost interest or some might say money wasted.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think the premise of the advert was to focus on some spirituality in the run up to Christmas and to counteract the mass commercialism whilst also attracting some younger people back to the Church, some might say money well spent if it were to boost interest or some might say money wasted.

I think you sum it up perfectly and fairly Cherie, really.

[Kizzy]

If they got the words right it might be a start...

'As we forgive those who trespass against us' isn't it?

If you need an advert to inject a little humanity in your soul you're spiritual toast, imo.

[DemolitionRed]

UK among most sceptical in world about religion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-religion.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

UK among most sceptical in world about religion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-religion.html

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I take it that you have not read all the preceding posts Mitchell?

No, I didn't have enough patience last night to read 10 pages of a religious thread, I just think a cinema should be a place where there isn't this sort of adverts, if I go to a cinema I want to sit and watch a film and be disconnected from the real world, I know there's still adverts, but very generic adverts.

My atheism has been a struggle if I'm honest, I was more scared of saying I was an atheist than that I was gay (and I came out in year 11 of secondary school...)
I've had judgemental comments from family and friends who haven't made it easy at all, so if I'm at a cinema I'd rather not be reminded of religion, same with politics and alcohol (the chances of me being in a cinema to see a film with a rating that isn't U or PG is very slim)

Yes the adverts been banned, a cinema isn't the time or the place for adverts of that nature.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Mitchell

No, I didn't have enough patience last night to read 10 pages of a religious thread, I just think a cinema should be a place where there isn't this sort of adverts, if I go to a cinema I want to sit and watch a film and be disconnected from the real world, I know there's still adverts, but very generic adverts.

My atheism has been a struggle if I'm honest, I was more scared of saying I was an atheist than that I was gay (and I came out in year 11 of secondary school...)
I've had judgemental comments from family and friends who haven't made it easy at all, so if I'm at a cinema I'd rather not be reminded of religion, same with politics and alcohol (the chances of me being in a cinema to see a film with a rating that isn't U or PG is very slim)

Yes the adverts been banned, a cinema isn't the time or the place for adverts of that nature.

Fair enough Mitchell. I wasn't denying your right to your opinion mate just asking the question based specifically on your comment "shouldn't the Church of England use their funds for something more worthwhile than trying to hire out ad space during Star Wars?" given my post and Kizzy's.

[Kazanne]

Personally I think it's petty and all a bit over the top,haven't we got better things to whinge over?I cant help but wonder though did anyone on here get married in church,have their kids christened and even attended a church funeral ? or did you walk out because you don't believe? serious question.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Personally I think it's petty and all a bit over the top,haven't we got better things to whinge over?I cant help but wonder though did anyone on here get married in church,have their kids christened and even attended a church funeral ? or did you walk out because you don't believe? serious question.

..thing is though Kaz, it's just a business decision for the cinemas..they can't really risk offending an audience that they're trying to encourage...especially as so much can be streamed etc on the internet now and the cinema is so expensive...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Personally I think it's petty and all a bit over the top,haven't we got better things to whinge over?I cant help but wonder though did anyone on here get married in church,have their kids christened and even attended a church funeral ? or did you walk out because you don't believe? serious question.

I have Hated
Church Folk
because they follow a Fable



I deal in Fecking Facts


Feel The Force

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

UK among most sceptical in world about religion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-religion.html

Spiffing

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

I have Hated
Church Folk
because they follow a Fable



I deal in Fecking Facts


Feel The Force

..well you're just very silly and probably losing out on some great people, for hating people because of their beliefs or because they go to church, rather than, judging them as people...for who they are...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Personally I think it's petty and all a bit over the top,haven't we got better things to whinge over?I cant help but wonder though did anyone on here get married in church,have their kids christened and even attended a church funeral ? or did you walk out because you don't believe? serious question.

Well, now you've brought that up, that's kind of a swore subject here. Did you know that 96% of "state" run schools here are Religious? (mainly Catholic) and eventhough they are state run and mine and everyone elses taxes pay for them, because they have a Catholic ethos they're allowed to put students trying to enroll who aren't baptised at the bottom of the list. therefore you have alot of parents feeling like they have little choice but to baptise their kids just to ensure they get a place in school in their own area

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..thing is though Kaz, it's just a business decision for the cinemas..they can't really risk offending an audience that they're trying to encourage...especially as so much can be streamed etc on the internet now and the cinema is so expensive...

I understand that Ammi ,it just seems that anything traditional to the UK is always 'wrong' in some peoples eyes, like the hanging out of our flags, Christmas ,not being called Christmas ,why do we bend over backwards to always be making sure people aren't offended,I get some people don't believe,that is why I asked the question about ,getting married /funerals and christenings etc.Why would people get offended over something they don't believe in anyway Go to the bog,the ad will be over by the time you get back. I actually find it hard to believe anyone is actually offended it just seems like another excuse for the PC brigade to blow their trumpets,and a blinking row they make too

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..well you're just very silly and probably losing out on some great people, for hating people because of their beliefs or because they go to church, rather than, judging them as people...for who they are...

You are being Silly


As less are now Church Folk
so I miss nothing

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Personally I think it's petty and all a bit over the top,haven't we got better things to whinge over?I cant help but wonder though did anyone on here get married in church,have their kids christened and even attended a church funeral ? or did you walk out because you don't believe? serious question.

Like I said before, it's hollow gestures. People get married in church because it's part of the image of an ideal wedding. Most people get married in a church because of the venue, not because of their religious persuasion. Christening and Church funerals are just part of British tradition. I was christened yet my family has never gone to church on a Sunday and aren't religious in the slightest and it's the same for most people I know.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, now you've brought that up, that's kind of a swore subject here. Did you know that 96% of "state" run schools here are Religious? (mainly Catholic) and eventhough they are state run and mine and everyone elses taxes pay for them, because they have a Catholic ethos they're allowed to put students trying to enroll who aren't baptised at the bottom of the list. therefore you have alot of parents feeling like they have little choice but to baptise their kids just to ensure they get a place in school in their own area

I was going to post to you about how it is there Niamh , as I know they are quite religious over there , I think it's wrong to HAVE to have your child baptised just to get a school place , no one should be forced to do that if they don't believe.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, now you've brought that up, that's kind of a swore subject here. Did you know that 96% of "state" run schools here are Religious? (mainly Catholic) and eventhough they are state run and mine and everyone elses taxes pay for them, because they have a Catholic ethos they're allowed to put students trying to enroll who aren't baptised at the bottom of the list. therefore you have alot of parents feeling like they have little choice but to baptise their kids just to ensure they get a place in school in their own area

I don't think anyone can argue against you on this Niamh - honestly. The institutional Church - especially the Roman Catholic have been responsible for some of the biggest iinjustices throughout the centuries.

NO child should ever be 'graded' on ANYTHING except their ability and perhaps inclination to learn.

This is something I did not know and it is disgusting.

[Johnnyuk123]

This is an interesting read about the 25th of December...
https://thinkerfromiowa.wordpress.co...n-december-25/

[Ammi]

..I guess that my thoughts are..(I actually don't care either way in terms of actually having to view the ad myself at the cinema..)...that it's a logical decision to ban it from cinemas ..and anything else that advertises personal religious or political beliefs, because as happened with the Scottish Independence referendum, there was offense taken../with that as well...the yes and no, were both balanced, which obviously had to be done because they couldn't just advertise one or the other...so with this and to make it fair, other religions would also have to be given the same opportunity and especially now, when it's such a difficult time for the Muslim community with much fear provoking many prejudices and we're very much a multi cultural country..so then would it be all religious adverts..?..and not the time or place when enjoying a family movie and having paid quite a bit of money to do so...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Has anyone seen just how bad the ad is?

Its a blessing its been banned as it is laughable

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

This is an interesting read about the 25th of December...
https://thinkerfromiowa.wordpress.co...n-december-25/

Just words like the Bible Johnny,we chose what we believe,there is no proof either way.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just words like the Bible Johnny,we chose what we believe,there is no proof either way.

Yeaah Kaz - absolutely right.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just words like the Bible Johnny,we chose what we believe,there is no proof either way.

Kaz what this guy is writing about is based on historical evidence from centuries of research that pre date christianity. All of these Gods were born on the 25th of December, many from a virgin birth with lots of other similar traits to what christianity is today. More importantly they all were here long before christianity.
TBH If i had written it then you make a fair point Kaz.
But i didn't write it. Historians did