[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Faux outrage..I doubt anyone would really walk out over this. Probably wouldn't even register what it was til it finished, then they could have a bit of a foam to themselves. Its just because a fuss has been made

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf it seems the non believers are making more of a fuss than any one of faith

Very true Cherie. They are. I wonder why?

[Johnnyuk123]

Can we all just agree that the world is flat!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Can we all just agree that the world is flat!

dont forget its also 5000 years old

[Crimson Dynamo]

does anyone in the thread think that praying works

if so can they explain how it works with a few examples

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

dont forget its also 5000 years old

And 8.7 million animals climbed into a 500 foot long wooden boat. How they actually got there in the first instance is still a mystery. None died either as no kangaroo fossils have ever been found other than in it's native country.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

This is not true and certainly not a fact. Christianity did not celebrate Christmas for centuries, in fact they were totally against it for centuries. The date Jesus was born has still not been indentified. The nearest date they have to this birth date is september or october. Why am i saying this...Sheperds in that region always kept their cattle indoors during the winter months. There is a passage in the bible that mentions cattle out door whilst talking about the birth of Jesus. Many people agree (none believers and believers) that his birth, if he did exist, would fall months before december and NOT on the exact same day as dozens of other gods before him. So Christmas was NOT born from Christianity. The rest of your post is interesting, i agree with everyone just enjoying the holiday for what it is, a holiday to spend time with your family and loved ones.

I'm pretty well up on where Christmas started. The New Testament has no birth date for Jesus and yes, the 25th December is officially the adopted birth date of Christ. I fully understand the reasons why this date was picked so you really don't need to educate me on this subject.

I accept that the Christians borrowed a date from Saturnalia but Christmas has been part of the Christian faith since the 4th century and that's a very long time. It wasn't banned by Christians, it was banned by the Roman Pagans but still quietly practised; enough in fact that we still have it now.

Christmas today doesn't represent the Christmas of old but what it morphed into was a day of peace and goodwill, at least for Christians....Why would any of us try to condemn that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm pretty well up on where Christmas started. The New Testament has no birth date for Jesus and yes, the 25th December is officially the adopted birth date of Christ. I fully understand the reasons why this date was picked so you really don't need to educate me on this subject.

I accept that the Christians borrowed a date from Saturnalia but Christmas has been part of the Christian faith since the 4th century and that's a very long time. It wasn't banned by Christians, it was banned by the Roman Pagans but still quietly practised; enough in fact that we still have it now.

Christmas today doesn't represent the Christmas of old but what it morphed into was a day of peace and goodwill, at least for Christians....Why would any of us try to condemn that?

its a day of celebration as the winter is on the wane and the nights are getting lighter

it has far far more to do with out pagan roots than ever it will with christianity

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

does anyone in the thread think that praying works

if so can they explain how it works with a few examples

Yes and no , not here for ridicule,lol

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm pretty well up on where Christmas started. The New Testament has no birth date for Jesus and yes, the 25th December is officially the adopted birth date of Christ. I fully understand the reasons why this date was picked so you really don't need to educate me on this subject.

I accept that the Christians borrowed a date from Saturnalia but Christmas has been part of the Christian faith since the 4th century and that's a very long time. It wasn't banned by Christians, it was banned by the Roman Pagans but still quietly practised; enough in fact that we still have it now.

Christmas today doesn't represent the Christmas of old but what it morphed into was a day of peace and goodwill, at least for Christians....Why would any of us try to condemn that?

So we actually both agree that this person was not born on the 25th of december. Thanks.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its a day of celebration as the winter is on the wane and the nights are getting lighter

it has far far more to do with out pagan roots than ever it will with christianity

Was that an error?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm pretty well up on where Christmas started. The New Testament has no birth date for Jesus and yes, the 25th December is officially the adopted birth date of Christ. I fully understand the reasons why this date was picked so you really don't need to educate me on this subject.

I accept that the Christians borrowed a date from Saturnalia but Christmas has been part of the Christian faith since the 4th century and that's a very long time. It wasn't banned by Christians, it was banned by the Roman Pagans but still quietly practised; enough in fact that we still have it now.

Christmas today doesn't represent the Christmas of old but what it morphed into was a day of peace and goodwill, at least for Christians....Why would any of us try to condemn that?

Red, I know that you and me have often got heated when arguing, but I DO respect you, your intellect, and your knowledge, so I want to give you some advice - once these 'Religious' threads descend into nothing more than a 'piss takers orgy' -- as they always do -- do not bother trying to communicate. It is futile. And no one knows better than I do.

You can destroy a fallacy with evidenced truth and it will not make one iota of difference.

Bow out love - this is no longer a 'Serious Debate' and the way it has descended into farce is not 'News'.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Red, I know that you and me have often got heated when arguing, but I DO respect you, your intellect, and your knowledge, so I want to give you some advice - once these 'Religious' threads descend into nothing more than a 'piss takers orgy' -- as they always do -- do not bother trying to communicate. It is futile. And no one knows better than I do.

You can destroy a fallacy with evidenced truth and it will not make one iota of difference.

Bow out love - this is no longer a 'Serious Debate' and the way it has descended into farce is not 'News'.

Thanks for that Kirk, though I have to say, because I'm not passionate about religion or none religion for that matter, this isn't the sort of discussion that frustrates me. It just baffles me and that's what keeps me here

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Thanks for that Kirk, though I have to say, because I'm not passionate about religion or none religion for that matter, this isn't the sort of discussion that frustrates me. It just baffles me and that's what keeps me here

You'll certainly end up a lot more baffled Red - Believe me.

LT is nuts and Johnny is worse.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Red, I know that you and me have often got heated when arguing, but I DO respect you, your intellect, and your knowledge, so I want to give you some advice - once these 'Religious' threads descend into nothing more than a 'piss takers orgy' -- as they always do -- do not bother trying to communicate. It is futile. And no one knows better than I do.

You can destroy a fallacy with evidenced truth and it will not make one iota of difference.

Bow out love - this is no longer a 'Serious Debate' and the way it has descended into farce is not 'News'.

I disagree Kirk, It is still a serious debate and with very different view points and all valid points from both sides that make it interesting. Talking on subjects like this is very good and helps people posting along with those just reading to come to their own decisions on matters like this which can only be a good thing. There are many things i could say in this thread that would simply offend people so i choose not too say those things. That is the last thing i would want to do to people on here or anywhere. BUT... When questions are raised eg: how do you fit 8.7million animals into a 500 foot wooden boat and people do not respond to it with an honest answer then that to me is wrong.
I love to learn and if i am wrong i simply accept it, no problem at all and i am wrong many many times.

Just think about this Kirk...

If the original poster removed the word (Christian) and replaced it with Muslim this thread would be a very different thread and closed asap.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It descends into pisstake simply because there is no evidence

Noone provides a counter argument and all involved realise what a total ridiculous nonsense it all is

In 6 years iv never seen anyone remotely come up with anything

At best we get

"Oh dont bash religion"


I mean jesus fkg christ

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It descends into pisstake simply because there is no evidence

Noone provides a counter argument and all involved realise what a total ridiculous nonsense it all is

In 6 years iv never seen anyone remotely come up with anything

At best we get

"Oh dont bash religion"


I mean jesus fkg christ

Good point LT.

[smudgie]

I would assume that if you have faith, then praying would give you comfort and perhaps hope. Even if that is all it does then it is worthwhile.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It descends into pisstake simply because there is no evidence

Noone provides a counter argument and all involved realise what a total ridiculous nonsense it all is

In 6 years iv never seen anyone remotely come up with anything

At best we get

"Oh dont bash religion"


I mean jesus fkg christ

I am well aware of the pisstake i have recieved in here for my thoughts as an athiest. As a none christian being mocked by christians in a very subtle way i am fine with it.I get the joke. example... funny how those none believers seem to be kicking up more of a fuss than believers etc or words similar to that effect. I am fine with it. I'm a big boy and can take it.
Latest polls in America show that athiests v christians took a test on their knowledge of the bible. Guess who won?

[Ammi]

..with respect, the only thing that the thread may have descended to, if it's descended into anything at all is to being off topic to the OP and what is very much still the news story..at has nothing to do with Christmas, the origin of Christmas day or how people celebrate it as everyone does that in their own way and have their own meanings for that day...the news story is about an advert for the Lord's prayer and that being banned from a cinema and whether that's an appropriate or right thing to do, with something that is a personal belief...should any advert of that ilk be shown at a cinema at all/is it the time, is it the place etc...and if so, then why should one religion be shown and not another...and yes, I completely agree with Johnny..what would be the reaction from the public if this was an advert for the Islam faith ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I would assume that if you have faith, then praying would give you comfort and perhaps hope. Even if that is all it does then it is worthwhile.

Why not just look on the bright side and avoid talking to yourself?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I would assume that if you have faith, then praying would give you comfort and perhaps hope. Even if that is all it does then it is worthwhile.

I agree with that smudgie. If it gives you comfort that can only be a good thing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lying to yourself about life is not comfort

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..with respect, the only thing that the thread may have descended to, if it's descended into anything at all is to being off topic to the OP and what is very much still the news story..at has nothing to do with Christmas, the origin of Christmas day or how people celebrate it as everyone does that in their own way and have their own meanings for that day...the news story is about an advert for the Lord's prayer and that being banned from a cinema and whether that's an appropriate or right thing to do, with something that is a personal belief...should any advert of that ilk be shown at a cinema at all/is it the time, is it the place etc...and if so, then why should one religion be shown and not another...and yes, I completely agree with Johnny..what would be the reaction from the public if this was an advert for the Islam faith ...

Well said Ammi. If it was a muslim advert all hell would have defo kicked off.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Well said Ammi. If it was a muslim advert all hell would have defo kicked off.

That is the reason all religious and political adverts have been banned.
Good policy really.