[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well no I would try and bring along as many of my family members as much as possible, if none of them wanted to go then yes I would still flee anyway as I'd given them the chance to avoid the scenarios that you're saying, but they didn't take it, which these men might've took my approach anyway.

Exactly Mock, none of us even have the slightest idea as to whether that was in fact the case too, that others didn't want to leave at that time,then the younger ones left.

It seems some know 100% for sure that 'all' of these desperate people are only 'illegal' immigrants, all of them.
That's actually even something govts and security people cannot say with full certainty.
Incredible.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly Mock, none of us even have the slightest idea as to whether that was in fact the case too, that others didn't want to leave at that time,then the younger ones left.

It seems some know 100% for sure that 'all' of these desperate people are only 'illegal' immigrants, all of them.
That's actually even something govts and security people cannot say with full certainty.
Incredible.

Joey, by definition they are illegal because they are sneaking in to the UK on the back of lorries rather than going through official channels. They are doing so from a country that is safe from persecution and war. Are you seriously suggesting that is a legal method to enter the UK?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Joey, by definition they are illegal because they are sneaking in to the UK on the back of lorries rather than going through official channels. They are doing so from a country that is safe from persecution and war. Are you seriously suggesting that is a legal method to enter the UK?

I repeat again, in times of great fear and panic, reason,clear thinking and even planning along with what is termed common sense, whatever that may be to whoever says that, goes out the window,
So no, nothing anyone in such a desperate plight may do,in my view, warrants negative judgements of them.
Unless actually proven to be doing wrong and it is known for certain, not just making speculative negative judgements on their appearances and actions.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I repeat again, in times of great fear and panic, reason,clear thinking and even planning along with what is termed common sense, whatever that may be to whoever says that, goes out the window,
So no, nothing anyone in such a desperate plight may do,in my view, warrants negative judgements of them.
Unless actually proven to be doing wrong and it is known for certain, not just making speculative negative judgements on their appearances and actions.

We will have to agree to disagree Joey. I commend you for trying to see the positive in people, but from my own perspective, it's just not logical or realistic.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We will have to agree to disagree Joey. I commend you for trying to see the positive in people, but from my own perspective, it's just not logical or realistic.

That is fine for you, for me however I look for the good until I have reason to look for any bad, and depending on the bad and its severity, that still may not be enough to sway me to judge anyone/people negatively if a lot of other good may be still evident too.

That is what I was brought up to do, that has been the example set for me by my family and it is something I am 100% glad I embrace too.
I also hope I always will no matter what personal trials I may face in life.