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Old 08-12-2015, 01:40 PM #1
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what personality has he got?


all I can see is a misogynistic, ignorant, misinformed bully?

Yes he won the title beating an old man who held it for 10 years as the weight was so piss poor

but where is the so called personality?
As much as I love some of the past winners on the list below - A.P. Mcoy, Lennox Lewis etc - what 'Personality' did most of these possess? At least Fury is a humorous buffoon.
1950s

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1954 Sir Chris Chataway

1955 Gordon Pirie

1956 Jim Laker

1957 Dai Rees

1958 Ian Black

1959 John Surtees

Sir Stirling Moss
Sir Stirling Moss wins 1961 award
1960s

1960 David Broome

1961 Sir Stirling Moss

1962 Anita Lonsbrough

1963 Dorothy Hyman

1964 Mary Rand

1965 Tommy Simpson

1966 Bobby Moore

1967 Sir Henry Cooper

1968 David Hemery

1969 Ann Jones

Lord Sebastian Coe
1979 winner Sebastian Coe
1970s

1970 Sir Henry Cooper

1971 HRH Princess Anne

1972 Dame Mary Peters

1973 Sir Jackie Stewart

1974 Brendan Foster

1975 David Steele

1976 John Curry

1977 Virginia Wade

1978 Steve Ovett

1979 Lord Sebastian Coe

Torvill and Dean
Torvill and Dean with Elton John in 1984
1980s

1980 Robin Cousins

1981 Sir Ian Botham

1982 Daley Thompson

1983 Steve Cram

1984 Torvill and Dean

1985 Barry McGuigan

1986 Nigel Mansell

1987 Fatima Whitbread

1988 Steve Davis

1989 Sir Nick Faldo

Lennox Lewis and Muhammad Ali
1999 Sports Personality Lennox Lewis with Muhammad Ali
1990s

1990 Paul Gascoigne

1991 Liz McColgan

1992 Nigel Mansell

1993 Linford Christie

1994 Damon Hill

1995 Jonathan Edwards

1996 Damon Hill

1997 Greg Rusedski

1998 Michael Owen

1999 Lennox Lewis

Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe with Sports Personality trophy in 2002
2000s

2000 Sir Steve Redgrave

2001 David Beckham

2002 Paula Radcliffe

2003 Jonny Wilkinson

2004 Dame Kelly Holmes

2005 Andrew Flintoff

2006 Zara Phillips

2007 Joe Calzaghe

2008 Sir Chris Hoy

2009 Ryan Giggs

Bradley Wiggins
The 2012 winner Bradley Wiggins, flanked by David Beckham and the Duchess of Cambridge
2010s

2010 AP McCoy

2011 Mark Cavendish

2012 Sir Bradley Wiggins

2013 Andy Murray

2014 Lewis Hamilton
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As much as I love some of the past winners on the list below - A.P. Mcoy, Lennox Lewis etc - what 'Personality' did most of these possess? At least Fury is a humorous buffon.
1950s

Spoiler:

1954 Sir Chris Chataway

1955 Gordon Pirie

1956 Jim Laker

1957 Dai Rees

1958 Ian Black

1959 John Surtees

Sir Stirling Moss
Sir Stirling Moss wins 1961 award
1960s

1960 David Broome

1961 Sir Stirling Moss

1962 Anita Lonsbrough

1963 Dorothy Hyman

1964 Mary Rand

1965 Tommy Simpson

1966 Bobby Moore

1967 Sir Henry Cooper

1968 David Hemery

1969 Ann Jones

Lord Sebastian Coe
1979 winner Sebastian Coe
1970s

1970 Sir Henry Cooper

1971 HRH Princess Anne

1972 Dame Mary Peters

1973 Sir Jackie Stewart

1974 Brendan Foster

1975 David Steele

1976 John Curry

1977 Virginia Wade

1978 Steve Ovett

1979 Lord Sebastian Coe

Torvill and Dean
Torvill and Dean with Elton John in 1984
1980s

1980 Robin Cousins

1981 Sir Ian Botham

1982 Daley Thompson

1983 Steve Cram

1984 Torvill and Dean

1985 Barry McGuigan

1986 Nigel Mansell

1987 Fatima Whitbread

1988 Steve Davis

1989 Sir Nick Faldo

Lennox Lewis and Muhammad Ali
1999 Sports Personality Lennox Lewis with Muhammad Ali
1990s

1990 Paul Gascoigne

1991 Liz McColgan

1992 Nigel Mansell

1993 Linford Christie

1994 Damon Hill

1995 Jonathan Edwards

1996 Damon Hill

1997 Greg Rusedski

1998 Michael Owen

1999 Lennox Lewis

Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe with Sports Personality trophy in 2002
2000s

2000 Sir Steve Redgrave

2001 David Beckham

2002 Paula Radcliffe

2003 Jonny Wilkinson

2004 Dame Kelly Holmes

2005 Andrew Flintoff

2006 Zara Phillips

2007 Joe Calzaghe

2008 Sir Chris Hoy

2009 Ryan Giggs

Bradley Wiggins
The 2012 winner Bradley Wiggins, flanked by David Beckham and the Duchess of Cambridge
2010s

2010 AP McCoy

2011 Mark Cavendish

2012 Sir Bradley Wiggins

2013 Andy Murray

2014 Lewis Hamilton
A lack of a personality is better than a wretched one.
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A lack of a personality is better than a wretched one.
But now we are 'moving the goalposts' Dezzy. He satisfies the 'SPORTS' part of the award, and does posses a 'Personality', be it a 'wretched one', whereas some past winners did not even possess any type of personality.
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But now we are 'moving the goalposts' Dezzy. He satisfies the 'SPORTS' part of the award, and does posses a 'Personality', be it a 'wretched one', whereas some past winners did not even possess any type of personality.
Not really at all, but nice try trying to trip me up using my own terminology.

Someone can be likable even if they don't have a huge personality. It's easy to like people like David Beckham because of his achievements and because he seems like a nice person.

It's ridiculous to nominate Tyson Fury, he may have a louder personality than most but it's also repugnant. He isn't likable. The fact that he's an awful human being overrides his achievements and makes him a strange nomination for a 'Sports Personality' award.

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Not really at all, but nice try trying to trip me up using my own terminology.

Someone can be likable even if they don't have a huge personality. It's easy to like people like David Beckham because of his achievements and because he seems like a nice person.

It's ridiculous to nominate Tyson Fury, he may have a louder personality than most but it's also repugnant. He isn't likable. The fact that he's an awful human being overrides his achievements and makes him a strange nomination for a 'Sports Personality' award.
I was not trying to trip you up - this isn't personal. I was responding to your post.

Like all contentious subjects, it all comes down in the end to our own opinions and perceptions. I am an avid boxing fan so Fury's achievement - for me - is collossal and for that alone he deserves recognition and an award.

Do I think that his idiotic comments are offensive? YES.

Do I think that they should win him a 'Human of The Year' award? NO.

And as idiotic and offensive as some of his comments are, they are LESS idiotic and offensive than many comments and acts of other famous people who have attained lofty positions or capitalised on such traits to become rich and even more famous, and I do not believe that these 'gaffes' should prevent Fury winning Sports Personality of The Year'.

If he does NOT win it - it should NOT be for the reasons people are citing. In my opinion.
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Like all contentious subjects, it all comes down in the end to our own opinions and perceptions. I am an avid boxing fan so Fury's achievement - for me - is collossal and for that alone he deserves recognition and an award.
He has recognition and an award though - he is World Heavyweight Champion and anyone with a vague interest in sports is aware of the circumstances of his victory. For anyone who doesn't have any interest in Sports... well... the whole thing is irrelevant, surely.

In my opinion, being honest, the "Sports Personality" award should really go to someone in the world of sports who has done or achieved something that hasn't been recognised through their own sport - e.g. setting up a sports center for troubled kids, going above and beyond with charity work, or even just doing a lot to really further and drive their sport forward. If there was a Sporting Achievement award for something that could be considered above the norm (which does apply in this case, it's a fascinating story) then there's no reason he shouldn't be considered.

But he has really done nothing at all for the image of Boxing. In fact, he has done and said a lot to really set the sport back decades; back to the image of boxing not as a professional and disciplined art... but a slugging match for aggressive, thuggish, unintelligent blokes. Back to the days of Tyson Original biting off ears, etc. An image which it was starting to pull away from.
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