[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

So let's put this in perspective:

Donald Trump, the 'Front Runner' in the USA's Republican Candidate race, and therefore a legitimate politician, makes suggestions about banning all Muslims from the USA as a temporary precautionary measure until the current Islamic terrorist war on America is over - remarks which are undeniably, ludicrous, offensive and xenophobic but yet still legitimate under the US Laws on Free Speech - and over 300,000 UK 'citizens' sign a petition to ban him from the UK?

Trump has not tried to radicalise young Americans to go out and kill Muslims. Nor has he issued any threats to the UK or its people.

Can ANYONE on here recall ANY type of PUBLIC petition to expel evil Finsbury Islamic Hate Preacher and young Muslim radicaliser Abu Hamza who DID issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or how about evil Muslim solicitor, young Muslim radicaliser, and hate preacher Anjem Choudary who hailed as 'heroes' the terrorists responsible for the '911' atrocity in 2001, and the 7th of July 2005 attacks,and who DID pose a threat and issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or even evil Hate Preacher Mizanur Rahman who praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorist killers, and who hates Britain and calls us "The enemy of Islam"

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I would bet my last pound coin that the architects of this ridiculous pathetic 'Petition' do not have British interests at heart, and the sensationalising of it is rib-ticklingly hilarious because even if 500,000 sign it, that still leaves 54 or so million WHO HAVE NOT SIGNED IT.

No but it's alright for them.They can say whatever they like because they're not white.

[Kizzy]

What rot, if you are inciting racial hatred it will be addressed ( unless you are called Trump) , starting a petition is not doing that is it?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No but it's alright for them.They can say whatever they like because they're not white.

Too true Paul.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

100% correct. The far left have got us into this mess, they don't care about border control or security of the masses, they just want to do political points scoring, they also want to ban free speech on the right yet they said nothing about the Islamic hate preachers wanting to bomb the uk? theyre very dangerous anti patriotic anti Christian hypocrites

Well said Truth.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh dear at the petition to ban him. Sums up social media activism where people spend a couple of seconds clicking their mouse and then congratulate themselves on having changed the world

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

eggggsactly.

[the truth]

the west should and the ruskies and the entire free world should unite to wipe this out, period.

[kirklancaster]

What must Americans REALLY think of this nutjob petition to 'ban' an American billionaire for having American interests at heart - no matter how misguided - when WE have Jeremy Corbyn as the Leader of HM Labour Party?

The joke is well and truly on us.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What must Americans REALLY think of this nutjob petition to 'ban' an American billionaire for having American interests at heart - no matter how misguided - when have Jeremy Corbyn as the Leader of HM Labour Party?

The joke is well and truly on us.

I know.It's tragic.Especially if they've read some of the disgusting comments his friends at the despicable 'Stop The War' coalition have written and then taken down because they knew it was wrong.Comments which totally legitimise Camerons "Terrorist sympathisers" claim.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Personally, I would ban all idiots, no matter how rich, to be able to run for the presidency.

The truth!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I know.It's tragic.Especially if they've read some of the disgusting comments his friends at the despicable 'Stop The War' coalition have written and then taken down because they knew it was wrong.Comments which totally legitimise Camerons "Terrorist sympathisers" claim.

YOU know the TRUTH.
I know the TRUTH.
The MAJORITY of UK citizens know the TRUTH.

But we can all continue TELLING the TRUTH until Armageddon, but the SELF-BLIND will not SEE, the SELF-DEAF will not LISTEN, and the SELF-DUMB.... are, well... Just DUMB.

As for 'Stop The War Coalition' - as MTVN intimated, it is nothing more than a nest of treacherous vipers.

[Cherie]

It's too easy to sign a petition online, if people had to fill out a form and buy a stamp to post it I predict this petition would hardly have got off the ground, we gave Nick Griffin a platform and Abu Hamza, we should welcome him with open arms and throw a reception for him in Tower Hamlets or Bradford.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

It's too easy to sign a petition online, if people had to fill out a form and buy a stamp to post it I predict this petition would hardly have got off the ground, we gave Nick Griffin a platform and Abu Hamza, we should welcome him with open arms and throw a reception for him in Tower Hamlets or Bradford.

(Are you getting an idea that I'm pleased by your post and agree with it? )

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh dear at the petition to ban him. Sums up social media activism where people spend a couple of seconds clicking their mouse and then congratulate themselves on having changed the world

There is more to activism than this isn't there, haven't thousands upon thousands of people taken to the streets over the years over differing issues?
People had to pay Ł3 to elect a leader for a political party, and they did, this is just one way to gauge public opinion, like polls and being involved in surveys.
A petition can't give an exact indication of the strength of feeling in the UK but then again putting a against a comment on a forum can't either, and yet here we are.
What is the solution, if you sign a petition it's not enough protest and it's too much, where's the happy medium...Put up and shut up?

[Cherie]

Keeping him across the pond enables him to make outrageous comments about London and the UK and let's him wallow in his ignorance, invite him here and provide counter argument to his comments would be far more productive IMO rather than sweeping him under the carpet

[bots]

if signing a petition makes people feel empowered, I would actively encourage it. I've never heard of an instance where signing a petition did anyone any direct harm

[Kizzy]

Trump: The UK is in denial about its "Muslim problem"
"The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem," he said, yet "everybody is wise to what is happening, very sad! Be honest"
Thank you to respected columnist Katie Hopkins for her powerful writing on the U.K.'s Muslim problems.

Would that be the cockroach comments?...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...news-live.html

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Trump: The UK is in denial about its "Muslim problem"
"The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem," he said, yet "everybody is wise to what is happening, very sad! Be honest"
Thank you to respected columnist Katie Hopkins for her powerful writing on the U.K.'s Muslim problems.

Would that be the cockroach comments?...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...news-live.html

Respected columnist? is he taking the piss now or what??

[lostalex]

He didn't even say ban all muslims forever... he said we should pause muslims coming in, until we have a way to tell which ones are the REAL muslims that actually believe in crazy muslim crap, and which ones are the normal human beings that just happen to be muslims.

obviously we don't have a problem with the normal human being muslims that don't actually believe in crazy muslim crap, but we need a way to figure out which is which. that's all he's saying.

I agree that he didn't make himself clear enough though. He should have planned his words more carefully.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

He didn't even say ban all muslims forever... he said we should pause muslims coming in, until we have a way to tell which ones are the REAL muslims that actually believe in crazy muslim crap, and which ones are the normal human beings that just happen to be muslims.

obviously we don't have a problem with the normal human being muslims that don't actually believe in crazy muslim crap, but we need a way to figure out which is which. that's all he's saying.

I agree that he didn't make himself clear enough though. He should have planned his words more carefully.

Logically is this feasible?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Logically is this feasible?

under his leadership? no. i don't trust him to even wake up in the right bed every morning... but i assume some smart people who are good at logistics and statistics and organization and maths and stuff could work out a system. Hillary could sort it out.

[Kizzy]

Borats verdict

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[Northern Monkey]

Why are people not eager to confront Trump with their counter arguments to his position rather than signing silly petitions to try and make him dissapear(He won't).If we are a democratic country then we should welcome him and debate with him.If he is in the wrong then he will come out of it looking worse and more than likely won't come back.Although i can't imagine that coming here will benefit him in any way in his campaign.I don't think shutting down debate helps anyone tbh.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Why are people not eager to confront Trump with their counter arguments to his position rather than signing silly petitions to try and make him dissapear(He won't).If we are a democratic country then we should welcome him and debate with him.If he is in the wrong then he will come out of it looking worse and more than likely won't come back.Although i can't imagine that coming here will benefit him in any way in his campaign.I don't think shutting down debate helps anyone tbh.

that's a good point.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lostalex

that's a good point.

Thankyou sir