[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Only the far right will back a man like Trump...the rest of us are just tar babies

Even they are slamming this proposal. Trump has no friends anymore on FOX and even the dark lord Dick Cheney cant show Trump support.

[empire]

when britain lets in hate preachers, who milk the state and shout there hate for the west, can't be deported, at the same time, trump says a few words about stopping muslims from going to the US, next the left wing brits get their knickers in a twist, the hypocrisy of this country, is that these preachers get special treatment, to stand in places in collages and universities, to justify in what has happened in Paris this year, what the things trump has said are not as bad and evil, as what those preacher loons have said, you have to understand that people mainpulate their own faith, to justify in what they are doing, its called twisting your own faith,

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

I just read the title as ban Muslims from entering us

[iRyan]

I hope he gets the Republican bid so Hilary/Bernie win for sure

[user104658]

Originally Posted by empire

when britain lets in hate preachers, who milk the state and shout there hate for the west, can't be deported, at the same time, trump says a few words about stopping muslims from going to the US, next the left wing brits get their knickers in a twist, the hypocrisy of this country, is that these preachers get special treatment, to stand in places in collages and universities, to justify in what has happened in Paris this year, what the things trump has said are not as bad and evil, as what those preacher loons have said, you have to understand that people mainpulate their own faith, to justify in what they are doing, its called twisting your own faith,

Everyone who dislikes Donny Trump is a traitor / terrorist sympathiser / secret jihadist out to destroy modern living. Surely you've been on this forum long enough to know that?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by empire

when britain lets in hate preachers, who milk the state and shout there hate for the west, can't be deported, at the same time, trump says a few words about stopping muslims from going to the US, next the left wing brits get their knickers in a twist, the hypocrisy of this country, is that these preachers get special treatment, to stand in places in collages and universities, to justify in what has happened in Paris this year, what the things trump has said are not as bad and evil, as what those preacher loons have said, you have to understand that people mainpulate their own faith, to justify in what they are doing, its called twisting your own faith,

I don't usually converse with you because you only ever seem to jump on here when your reassured your opinions will be backed but as usual, you are spouting nonsense, so I'll have my say.

Its not only the left who are (as you suggest) getting their knickers in a twist. Many Conservatives are outraged and have made public statements about that outrage.

Ismic fundamentalists are not allowed to preach from pulpits or even from prayer mats to justify what happened in Paris. If they get caught they will be arrested, named, shamed, possibly tagged and risk imprisonment and even deportation.

Most people on the Left, Right and Middle don't agree with Trump but Far Right do and from where I'm sitting, its the far right who are getting their knickers in a wad.

Most people on the Left, Right and Middle would happily see Islamic hate preachers deported.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't usually converse with you because you only ever seem to jump on here when your reassured your opinions will be backed but as usual, you are spouting nonsense, so I'll have my say.

Its not only the left who are (as you suggest) getting their knickers in a twist. Many Conservatives are outraged and have made public statements about that outrage.

Ismic fundamentalists are not allowed to preach from pulpits or even from prayer mats to justify what happened in Paris. If they get caught they will be arrested, named, shamed, possibly tagged and risk imprisonment and even deportation.

Most people on the Left, Right and Middle don't agree with Trump but Far Right do and from where I'm sitting, its the far right who are getting their knickers in a wad.

Most people on the Left, Right and Middle would happily see Islamic hate preachers deported.

outrage?




he made a comment, it was a temporary ban (that seems to have been forgotten), its not policy, he is not a politician - it wont happen and was just an idea

he just said something


If anyone is "outraged" then i am laughing at them

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

outrage?




he made a comment, it was a temporary ban (that seems to have been forgotten), its not policy, he is not a politician - it wont happen and was just an idea

he just said something


If anyone is "outraged" then i am laughing at them

Going to be a bit hard becoming president if he isn't a politician.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Going to be a bit hard becoming president if he isn't a politician.

Ronald Regan

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Ronald Regan

An actor who became a politician...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Going to be a bit hard becoming president if he isn't a politician.

he isnt, yet

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

he isnt, yet

Aren't you stating the obvious here?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Aren't you stating the obvious here?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

outrage?




he made a comment, it was a temporary ban (that seems to have been forgotten), its not policy, he is not a politician - it wont happen and was just an idea

he just said something


If anyone is "outraged" then i am laughing at them

Yes and it was also a temporary ban for all Muslim business people living in America...how does that work? He also suggested tagging all Muslims in the US and he wants to kick out the Mexicans and get them to build and pay for a giant wall. He wants to move in the blacks from Baltimore and give them the menial work the Mexicans presently do. He's such a sweetheart isn't he? I mean, bless his cotton socks...none of this is serious, its just a joke that people didn't get!!

The man's a white supremacist and fortunately I have the freedom of speech to call him a white supremacist. If He'd been born in a different era he'd be wearing a white pointy hood and hanging strange fruit from the trees in his vast estates.

I'm not outraged by Trump. The man's just a trumped up idiot who looks suspiciously like Jimmy Saville. He's been spouting that big gob of his off for years and to most of us he's a laughing stock but then so was Bush Junior and he got in.

Outraged isn't a word I used in that post but if I'm going to adopt that word then I'll use it for all those who support him and not the man himself.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

he isnt, yet

He is a politician in the sense that he is currently (heavily) involved in politics. It's a bit pedantic to say that he isn't one. A politician doesn't necessarily need to hold an elected or other professional position... certainly not if they are quite clearly a major influencing factor, which Mr Troomp obviously is.

So, he is a highly influential figure with a massive national platform in the US, and a further reaching international platform as well. With that in mind, it's not really all that ridiculous for people - especially other politicians - to be "outraged" by what he has "just said" and the potential consequences of those opinions when they are not simply said but shouted so loudly from a world stage. This especially applies to politicians who are perceived as generally "leaning the same way". I can see exactly why they'd be angry and keen to express the fact that he does not speak for all republicans (and kin).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

He is a politician in the sense that he is currently (heavily) involved in politics. It's a bit pedantic to say that he isn't one. A politician doesn't necessarily need to hold an elected or other professional position... certainly not if they are quite clearly a major influencing factor, which Mr Troomp obviously is.

So, he is a highly influential figure with a massive national platform in the US, and a further reaching international platform as well. With that in mind, it's not really all that ridiculous for people - especially other politicians - to be "outraged" by what he has "just said" and the potential consequences of those opinions when they are not simply said but shouted so loudly from a world stage. This especially applies to politicians who are perceived as generally "leaning the same way". I can see exactly why they'd be angry and keen to express the fact that he does not speak for all republicans (and kin).

well he isnt a politician is he, he is a property magnate having a foray into politics.

[Northern Monkey]

Trump is a joker,He reminds me of a spoof politician.He will never be president.People are just latching onto him because they feel they have no more moderate alternative just as they did with BNP over here when they grew slightly in popularity.I think his latest comment was too far for alot of people who would have supported him.Imo of course.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Is he in a bouffant battle with boris?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

well he isnt a politician is he, he is a property magnate having a foray into politics.

Name me a big-name Tory for whom a political salary is the main income stream.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Trump is a joker,He reminds me of a spoof politician.He will never be president.People are just latching onto him because they feel they have no more moderate alternative just as they did with BNP over here when they grew slightly in popularity.I think his latest comment was too far for alot of people who would have supported him.Imo of course.

BNP? Nono, it was UKIP. Remember UKIP?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

BNP? Nono, it was UKIP. Remember UKIP?

yes Nigel Farage was on LBC today doing his regular questions spot and he was excellent as usual. I think UKIP came 2nd in the last by-election we had in the UK

[Crimson Dynamo]

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In Britain, more Muslims join ISIS than join the British army.

[DemolitionRed]

The Guardian say this: http://www.theguardian.com/news/real...h-muslims-isis

'Isis is a fairly late actor. Most of those who went out in the earlier phases of the civil war were not joining Isis, they were going to Jabhat al-Nusra, and many other groups.'

There are not 750 British people currently fighting with Isis – this is a cumulative figure. The British government estimates at least 260 have returned to the UK, which may be for a number of reasons, but many may have returned after becoming disillusioned at how different rebel groups were subsumed by Isis in the past two years.

It is not really accurate to compare a cumulative number of fighters heading to Isis over a number of years with the current number of Muslim recruits in the British army. But we can say one thing:

At no point over the past three years has the number of active British Isis fighters eclipsed the number of serving Muslims in the British armed forces.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

At no point over the past three years has the number of active British Isis fighters eclipsed the number of serving Muslims in the British armed forces.

To be fair, that's a statement dodging the question a bit. The claim is that more JOINED in a year - not that the total serving was more... so the number serving is irrelevant (to the claim).

However, even if it is true, we're still talking about tiny numbers. A few hundred out of 4 million Muslims in the country. That puts it into a little more perspective.

Also, hypothetically, I would imagine there are some serious challenges faced by Muslim men who want to sign up to the British army. Prejudice, suspicion, etc... I can't imagine it's an attractive choice for them in that sense.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Also, hypothetically, I would imagine there are some serious challenges faced by Muslim men who want to sign up to the British army. Prejudice, suspicion, etc... I can't imagine it's an attractive choice for them in that sense.

I think its more to do with every conflict we get involved in is in Muslim countries.