[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

I'm not a bigot yet believe in God.
Not everybody is filled with hatred.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I'm not a bigot yet believe in God.
Not everybody is filled with hatred.

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Most walked out before he finished. I think I would have stayed until the end & then challenged him.

I think it was his attitude though. He was giving a speech all about me me me - not explaining his views at all and trying to defuse the situation but reinforcing those views. Then he said if anyone had questions to put up their hands and he would give them 15 minutes of question time. I mean, who does he think he is, their headmaster? He was being so arrogant and patronizing. I know I would have walked out with them.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I'm not a bigot yet believe in God.
Not everybody is filled with hatred.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

Exactly.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

Sorry I thought you were directing it at me.
People like Winston will always use something to justify being hateful.
I really wish he had never gone in the house.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

Most bigots have probably never been in church since the last wedding they attended, unless its the church representatives themselves.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by jet

I think it was his attitude though. He was giving a speech all about me me me - not explaining his views at all and trying to defuse the situation but reinforcing those views. Then he said if anyone had questions to put up their hands and he would give them 15 minutes of question time. I mean, who does he think he is, their headmaster? He was being so arrogant and patronizing. I know I would have walked out with them.

He had the opportunity to try to say what his justification was & blew it.
I just felt that Daniella laughing at him brought it down to his level.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

My position is clear;

A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus was The Christ.

If Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality, then how can anyone who purports to believe in Christ's words as those of God, EVER preach that their Christian God condemned 'Gays', 'Gay Sex' 'Gay Marriage' or anything else 'Gay' when it SIMPLY is not true?

What follows from the above, is that if Winston is GENUINELY using his 'Christianity' as a reason for his inane homophobic remarks, then he is MISGUIDED, and whoever preached their homophobic views to him in the Church which Winston attended, is also misguided or is deliberately misrepresenting the word of the Christian God.

The above being so, when Winston says; "I am a Christian" as some form of mitigation or even justification for his ludicrous views, it is MEANINGLESS.

Or just god?
I don't know how, why or where he got his views but as seen with Anglicanism he's not alone.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

He had the opportunity to try to say what his justification was & blew it.
I just felt that Daniella laughing at him brought it down to his level.

I actually laughed with embarrassment at his pompousness - and I wasn't even there.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sampvt

The bible promotes the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. Im guessing that anything outside that alliance isn't regarded as correct, hence the twisted views of many clergy and church ministers. On side will argue its wrong, the other will argue its not that clear so because its not that clear, it cant be right and even though its not that wrong, it suits our agenda so away we go, Bull****, Religion is the cause of nearly all wars and killings so why let a good point get in the way of an argument.

Love is all that matters and a bit f paper or a church indoctrination is totally irrelevant. What I don't understand is why so many gays discount the church as archaic, yet fight for the right to be married in one. Religion is not the law and too many people let religion rule their lives. Bloody daft if you ask me as some people use religion as a way to explain away their own inadequacies and others discount it as BS.

Very good point about the marriage in church Sam,never thought of it that way before.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hi, the 31% you keep refferring to was taken by a 2013 poll. Can you think of any historically significant things that has happened with the community since then? ****ing loads. You should research this instead.
Find a 2015 poll if you want to throw around numbers because yes obviously a 2013 poll is already out of date.

Your 2013 poll states that 55% of people believe that homsexuals should be able to get married, this has rose to 71% in the two years. It is very safe to presume that gay adoption views have also taken a dramatic rise too. Judging by those numbers, do you believe Winstons (and your own) views have a place in modern Britain. They do not, you are both among the last to move with the times.

I doubt you want to educate yourself, but just in case, these are the current views of europe. http://www.equineteurope.org/IMG/pdf/ebs_437_en.pdf

Pssst......I didn't throw the numbers around. The first time I saw that survey was when one of Winston's detractors on here posted it in order to show that 53% were for gay adoption.

But as you are rejecting the survey then we can reject the 53% and go back to the drawing board.

What people don't seem to have worked out is that Winston got more votes than nancy to stay. This witch hunt is confined to some leftists and media luvvies. The rest of us like Winston and realise his views aren't extreme in the slightest.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

The forum has been awash with ignorant homophobic posts. Multiple threads closed. Posts removed.

Pretend none of that happened if you like.

So anyone who doesn't completely agree with your views on gays is homophobic.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Pssst......I didn't throw the numbers around. The first time I saw that survey was when one of Winston's detractors on here posted it in order to show that 53% were for gay adoption.

But as you are rejecting the survey then we can reject the 53% and go back to the drawing board.

What people don't seem to have worked out is that Winston got more votes than nancy to stay. This witch hunt is confined to some leftists and media luvvies. The rest of us like Winston and realise his views aren't extreme in the slightest.

We don't know that for sure.

We also don't know why people voted to save him. On this forum the consensus seemed to be that he was more entertaining good/bad than Nancy and Kristina.

You seem to be suggesting he got votes because people agree with his views? Which can't be proven either.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

Like all muslims you mean?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

So anyone who doesn't completely agree with your views on gays is homophobic.

Where have I said that?

Try reading posts properly before replying.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

We don't know that for sure.

Of course we do. Hence the panicked and totally fraudulent "twist" where all the housemates who despised him were suddenly allowed to vote.

We also don't know why people voted to save him. On this forum the consensus seemed to be that he was more entertaining good/bad than Nancy and Kristina.

Absolutely he was more entertaining. I personally think he is worth ten of nancy. Look at all the stuff he has done on his life. He is famous for the right reasons rather than shagging SYE.

You seem to be suggesting he got votes because people agree with his views? Which can't be proven either.

Well he certainly got votes in spite of his views. As I have stated before, you really are out of touch with the real views in Britain. The average man on the street is not a gay rights campaigner and protesting for immigrants to be let in.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Like all muslims you mean?

You've been watching too much Fox News.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Where have I said that?

Try reading posts properly before replying.

So which comments yesterday were homophobic, in your opinion?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

You've been watching too much Fox News.

You think muslims don't hold those views?

Are they allowed freedom of religion but Winston isn't?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Of course we do. Hence the panicked and totally fraudulent "twist" where all the housemates who despised him were suddenly allowed to vote.
Absolutely he was more entertaining. I personally think he is worth ten of nancy. Look at all the stuff he has done on his life. He is famous for the right reasons rather than shagging SYE.
Well he certainly got votes in spite of his views. As I have stated before, you really are out of touch with the real views in Britain. The average man on the street is not a gay rights campaigner and protesting for immigrants to be let in.

No actually we don't.

So you think he's entertaining. Great. I'm pleased for you.

The only one out of touch here is you and as the years pass you will become even more out of touch.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

No actually we don't.

So you think he's entertaining. Great. I'm pleased for you.

The only one out of touch here is you and as the years pass you will become even more out of touch.

But I will still hold my opinion and nobody can do a thing about it. We don't have the thought police yet.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

No actually we don't.

So you think he's entertaining. Great. I'm pleased for you.

The only one out of touch here is you and as the years pass you will become even more out of touch.

Like i said yesterday, not if the influx of immigrants continues, more than likely it will go the other way.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Like i said yesterday, not if the influx of immigrants continues, more than likely it will go the other way.

Half a million signed a petition to stop any more immigrants coming in.

These leftists really do think that the entire country are behind them and they couldn't be more wrong. Go to any average pub in this country and ask the blokes what they think of gays adopting and Syrian immigrants and the answers won't be to the leftists liking.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Half a million signed a petition to stop any more immigrants coming in.

These leftists really do think that the entire country are behind them and they couldn't be more wrong. Go to any average pub in this country and ask the blokes what they think of gays adopting and Syrian immigrants and the answers won't be to the leftists liking.

It's really not that deep.