[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I didn't say they have a choice.

My point is that when you, as the authorities, are choosing where to place a child then you want to place it with a mother. Mothers are quite important.

I keep hearing that "heveryone has the right to adopt, the right to be happy, the right to a child." What a selfish viewpoint. The only person whose happiness is paramount is the child. Robbing a child of a mother from day one is not healthy.

In whos opinion, yours? It is easy to argue that growing up with two fathers leave the child in a much healthier position (they certainly would not grow up as ignorant as Winston and wouldn't possess yours and his shared views, so thats one, nil to same sex couples right there) but it is obviously something that you've grown into and not something you are willing to grow out of.

I do believe that you would personally be upset with a same sex couple as parents but you should understand that most people are likely to not give a **** because that is the way Britain is evolving, your only argument is I'm less evolved than most of Britain so listen to me and Winston because **** you. and that's not a good argument.

[MrWong]

Winston can't give a straight answer to a question because it's hard to defend bigotry.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

In whos opinion, yours? It is easy to argue that growing up with two fathers leave the child in a much healthier position (they certainly would not grow up as ignorant as Winston and wouldn't possess yours and his shared views, so thats one, nil to same sex couples right there) but it is obviously something that you've grown into and not something you are willing to grow out of.

I do believe that you would personally be upset with a same sex couple as parents but you should understand that most people are likely to not give a **** because that is the way Britain is evolving, your only argument is I'm less evolved than most of Britain so listen to me and Winston because **** you. and that's not a good argument.

So you are saying that only your opinion is right?

Do you actually know what an opinion is?

[billy123]

Give it up. Racists and homophobes in this thread (there are a few) are going to support him and anyone with a brain is going to know what a twat he was. Either way morons like him will be forgotten faster if you dont talk about them.
Dont feed the idiots.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Give it up. Racists and homophobes in this thread (there are a few) are going to support him and anyone with a brain is going to know what a twat he was. Either way morons like him will be forgotten faster if you dont talk about them.

Why would racists support him? They would be the ones witch hunting him.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

They don't have a mother in a care home either. And as someone who knows a gay man who's adopted a child, I can assure you that there is plenty of 'forethought'. No one just wakes up one day and says 'I think I'll adopt a kid today, and yipee i'm gay so they won't have a mum'. Life's not a fairy tale mate, and any child in care would be lucky to have a loving home to go to, regardless of how many parents and what gender/sexual orientation they are.

Aye - having worked with kids that have been in care in a vocational college- truthfully they just want a family that loves them, they couldnt care less about them being gay, care is awful and lonely. However Winston was used by CBB and it was a witch hunt, in his culture thats how things are - its like my old nan, she is NOT politically correct! and its like nan - you musn't say that - but shes just an old woman. You should watch a bit of "it was alright in the 70's" - if you ever work with older people the things they will say will really shock you!

[jet]

Originally Posted by sungrass

Aye - having worked with kids that have been in care in a vocational college- truthfully they just want a family that loves them, they couldnt care less about them being gay, care is awful and lonely. However Winston was used by CBB and it was a witch hunt, in his culture thats how things are - its like my old nan, she is NOT politically correct! and its like nan - you musn't say that - but shes just an old woman. You should watch a bit of "it was alright in the 70's" - if you ever work with older people the things they will say will really shock you!

Winston is 62, not 82. His formative years were during the 60's which was quite an age of enlightenment. I don't personally know many people under 70 who has views like Winston. Over it, yes, I know quite a few who are scandalized by homosexuality but also others that aren't. Age isn't always an indicator by any means.

[Mitchell]

Has anyone made the "Unlike Winston to give a gay answer" pun yet?

[jet]

On top of being a homophobe, he apparently also ran a pub which was closed down by police for being a 'hotbed' for arms and drugs. He's an all - round horrible piece of work.

[sampvt]

Gemma Collins in the house on that fateful day asked him....did you say those words....answer, HELL YES.

What more do you want him to say or are you all just interested in him digging a hole and allowing his comments to be ridden like a wild horse.

Sometimes wanting blood after blood is really shallow. He said it, admitted it once which in his eyes was good enough, its documented and he avoids it now because admitting it yet again will only let his interviewer make him discuss it more which he obviously does not want to give then the satisfaction of.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

On top of being a homophobe, he apparently also ran a pub which was closed down by police for being a 'hotbed' for arms and drugs. He's an all - round horrible piece of work.

Any link for that ?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Any link for that ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_McKenzie

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by jet

Winston is 62, not 82. His formative years were during the 60's which was quite an age of enlightenment. I don't personally know many people under 70 who has views like Winston. Over it, yes, I know quite a few who are scandalized by homosexuality but also others that aren't. Age isn't always an indicator by any means.

Also, as a politician he should be expected to be in touch with how society currently is, regardless of his age. He should be held to different standards to other older people who aren't trying to be representative figures for the current population. If he's unable to move with the times then frankly, he's in the wrong job.