[Ammi]

Originally Posted by hot2go

None of the people who cry about racism seemed too concerned about ageism when Angie was monumentally ridiculed on here or concerned about a homophobia when Winston behaved like a prick ....so you'll have to excuse me if I don't give a sh-t about peoples unfounded claims of racism ......you can't only fight for human rights if it only affects you...makes your voice irrelevant

...but isn't that what you then are doing, dismissing racism but 'fighting for something else'..?...I don't know what you mean by the ageist thing but there have been many offensive things on the forum/said on the forum if that's what you're referring to...some pretty awful things about Gemma for instance, nothing to do with her personality..(and Lord knows there's plenty to criticise there but very personal and totally irrelevant things to her being a housemate, the 'designer vagina' thing and some really OTT and quite offensive stuff...)...and 'slut shaming' as well, in how Megan and Steph have been judged, compared to male housemates....so ageist/sexist/racist/homophobia etc..they're all wrong, very wrong...but even more wrong (in my opinion..)..if one is dismissed because another hasn't got the same attention...

[Ammi]

..anyways, I don't know if it's a racist thing but it's interesting as to many reasons given to why she was nominated...'we don't connect, sorry Tiffany'...well why don't they connect, other housemates have acted pretty grim and yet there's the connection there, is that what you're saying..?...I do think that there is a difference between American and UK housemates so they just 'don't get each other' ...a UK housemate can scream the house down and behave awfully but they understand that, they've seen it all before..they're not quite so 'intimidated'' by it but with an American housemate..?...well, oooo, she scares me....(even though her reactions to things haven't been as awful as some..)...so yeah, I do think that she's at a disadvantage in the house and made some very valid points, maybe not in the best way, but then how many housemates ever do..?...but those points still shouldn't be dismissed just because of how they are made ....

...tbh, (I think as well..)...that she's nominated because many of them think that the voters will chose a UK housemate over an American one, being more familiar with seeing them on their screens etc...so an easy target really...

[chuff me dizzy]

Tiffany has brought it ALL on herself

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I mean at one point, David died through it all/the stress...

lmao <33

[MrWong]

Hm's get **** on this forum for being American so it's hardly a leap to think that there would ignorant hm's displaying the same ****.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Hm's get **** on this forum for being American so it's hardly a leap to think that there would ignorant hm's displaying the same ****.

You are joking ? Americans get idolised on here ,even if no one knows them they are seen as the 2nd coming before they've even got off the plane !!

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but isn't that what you then are doing, dismissing racism but 'fighting for something else'..?...I don't know what you mean by the ageist thing but there have been many offensive things on the forum/said on the forum if that's what you're referring to...some pretty awful things about Gemma for instance, nothing to do with her personality..(and Lord knows there's plenty to criticise there but very personal and totally irrelevant things to her being a housemate, the 'designer vagina' thing and some really OTT and quite offensive stuff...)...and 'slut shaming' as well, in how Megan and Steph have been judged, compared to male housemates....so ageist/sexist/racist/homophobia etc..they're all wrong, very wrong...but even more wrong (in my opinion..)..if one is dismissed because another hasn't got the same attention...

I'm sorry, that comment was really not aimed at people like you who are clearly objective and reasonable....it was specifically intended for a group of Tiffany fans who constantly say that she is only ever critisused because she is black yet never speak out in support of any other minority groups that are attacked on here....to expect my empathy for their view point on racism when they ignore or fuel hate towards older people or gay people or people they decide are ugly looking is something that I find arrogant and purile and offensive....so I speak out against that....but this is not aimed at you...at all...and I'm sorry if you felt it was....
I always try to not poke fun at things that people can't change like their race or their sexuality or their looks....if I refer to someone as being black it is a description not an insult, same goes for gay housemates, never an attack....if I call someone an old misery it will be a young person who behaves like a twat not a mature person ....if I say someone is ugly it will be a reference to their behaviour not their looks....the abuse thrown at Angie Bowie on here this week because of her age was disgraceful and none of the crowd I'm talking about said anything to defend her....yet continually they expect the rest of us to acknowledge their racism claims which are unfounded and an insult to white people ....it's racism in reverse .

[hot2go]

I would never dismiss racism....I am dismissing the views of a certain group of people who use racism to attack the rest of us ,,,,it's not the same thing

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You are joking ? Americans get idolised on here ,even if no one knows them they are seen as the 2nd coming before they've even got off the plane !!

They get **** for being American.

The fact that they have support is irrelevant to the point I was making.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

They get **** for being American.

The fact that they have support is irrelevant to the point I was making.

Load of rubbish

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Load of rubbish

ok.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

ok.

If Tiffany was white English with her attitude she would be hated on here

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

If Tiffany was white English with her attitude she would be hated on here

So Megan then.

<checks forum> Hmm, barely any hate threads.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You are joking ? Americans get idolised on here ,even if no one knows them they are seen as the 2nd coming before they've even got off the plane !!

What a brilliant observation and so very true ....and let's not forget our winner this year ..,without question it was gonna be David

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

If Tiffany was white English with her attitude she would be hated on here

Of course she would....she's just an idiot ...she could be black, white, purple or a Tele Tubby makes no difference ...the people who dislike her do it because she's a twat...not because she's black....I feel sorry for people who think that, what a grim way to see the world

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Of course she would....she's just an idiot ...she could be black, white, purple or a Tele Tubby makes no difference ...the people who dislike her do it because she's a twat...not because she's black....I feel sorry for people who think that, what a grim way to see the world

Sure is

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

What a brilliant observation and so very true ....and let's not forget our winner this year ..,without question it was gonna be David

Tiffany was rammed down our throats before she even entered the house

[hot2go]

How strange that a nation that loves black music and loved Michael and Whitney and Love Kim and Kanye can suddenly come over all funny when they watch big brother....come over all racist ...come over all white supremacy ....how funny...how strange....how convenient

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, it didn't bother them to the point that they've all left without being evicted.....THAT'S HOW MUCH THAT IT HASN'T BOTHERED THEM.....seriously though, I know that David and Angie are ill and sleep deprived etc...but stress weakens the body and makes it more susceptible/vulnerable, so that may have been a big factor there as well, to them feeling so unwell...

David and Angie are old. Old = more likely to fall ill.

Jonathan is the only one you may have a point on.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

lol at the reaching as folks realise that like Visage last time their "kween" is rather less than they had expected and will be leaving soon



"it must be raCISM"

"it must be coz she is american"

"it must be coz she is a woman"



--------------------------------------

Spoiler:

Its coz she is rubbish

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol at the reaching as folks realise that like Visage last time their "kween" is rather less than they had expected and will be leaving soon



"it must be raCISM"

"it must be coz she is american"

"it must be coz she is a woman"



------------------------------------

Spoiler:

Its coz she is rubbish

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol at the reaching as folks realise that like Visage last time their "kween" is rather less than they had expected and will be leaving soon



"it must be raCISM"

"it must be coz she is american"

"it must be coz she is a woman"



--------------------------------------

Spoiler:

Its coz she is rubbish

So I hear Steph wants to marry her true love Sam again now

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So I hear Steph wants to marry her true love Sam again now

she is finished with that wifebeater

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

she is finished with that wifebeater

But she remembered everything she loved about him and is sure that she wants to be with him and marry him n'awwwww

[Jenkin]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Being the only American left makes her an easy nomination target. The Hm's seems to assume that even if they act like arseholes just cuz they're British the public wont mind. I hope TIff makes the final, the nominations for her have been very tactical throughout the series.

I actually felt for Tiffany at last nights nominations. Yes, she was an easy target and it must be hard for her in such an alien environment. The best most of them could come up with as a reason for nominating was the usual 'I haven't got to know you as well as the others', or 'I haven't spent as much time with you as I have with the others'