[Ammi]

..no it really isn't though, it's all vulnerable children and many children, no matter what their culture or religion if they have any at all are vulnerable through circumstances and are looking desperately to either 'escape', 'be understood' or to 'belong' and feel some self worth...

[Ammi]

..anyways, I do think that there may possibly be more to this story than we know...

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This for me, it seems rather extreme.

Excuse Me...

There is 2 Top Teachers on this thread
its for them to say if its Extreme.

Those Girls that went to Syria (a few months back, London School )
to be Sex Slaves or Terrorists
slipped right past all the Teachers.

Its a very Tricky area, joey

I am sure a Big Copper going in
was not to bad,
not like he arrested anyone.

[Livia]

If no one had paid attention to this and it turned out to be true, people would be calling for someone's head.

This had to be followed up. Not nice for a ten year old, but we live in dangerous times.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

If no one had paid attention to this and it turned out to be true, people would be calling for someone's head.

This had to be followed up. Not nice for a ten year old, but we live in dangerous times.

Yes Livia ,
they would have tracked the Teacher
and dragged her in to a School Enquirer

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..anyways, I do think that there may possibly be more to this story than we know...

It was on GMBHD and SkyNewsHD TV news
its a error
that got the new policy in action.


I mean this could be on QT BBC1
tomorrow

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

If no one had paid attention to this and it turned out to be true, people would be calling for someone's head.

This had to be followed up. Not nice for a ten year old, but we live in dangerous times.

I can see that very valid point too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How sad that any 10 year old boy woukd be described as muslim.

[Kizzy]

If the teacher had asked the lad to read back what he'd written wouldn't it have saved any issue?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know quite why you make me smile Niamh but you often do.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

If no one had paid attention to this and it turned out to be true, people would be calling for someone's head.

This had to be followed up. Not nice for a ten year old, but we live in dangerous times.

It NEEDED to be investigated.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Excuse Me...

There is 2 Top Teachers on this thread
its for them to say if its Extreme.

Those Girls that went to Syria (a few months back, London School )
to be Sex Slaves or Terrorists
slipped right past all the Teachers.

Its a very Tricky area, joey

I am sure a Big Copper going in
was not to bad,
not like he arrested anyone.

True - And there have been children as young as him wielding guns and knives in ISIS videos. It NEEDED investigating.

[Ammi]

..I really can't see that it did need to be investigated in the way that it was though....


'Since last July teachers have been legally obliged to report any suspected extremist behaviour to police as part of the Government's Prevent anti-radicalisation strategy'...so with a 10yr old, mistaking terraced for terrorist is extreme terrorist behaviour, just that/nothing else but that one word would say 'extreme terrorist possibility' to someone...?...


Schools are expected to assess the risk of children being drawn into terrorism...so if the family were no cause for concern previously..(and it would seem not because nothing has been found to be a cause of concern by the police..)...then where was the assessment first, other than that one misspelled word, before the police were called....?....


...the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop, would a white Christian family ever accept that or feel it was ok to do...would they say, well you have to be careful, don't you..I completely understand or would they say...em, excuse me, my child made a spelling error, has no record of any changing behaviour otherwise, do we look like terrorists to you ..?...it's that assumption that it was ok to do because this was a Muslim family and Muslim+mispelled word=possible terrorism...

[Kizzy]

It's a joke, one simple question to the kid would have prevented such a waste of time :/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I really can't see that it did need to be investigated in the way that it was though....


'Since last July teachers have been legally obliged to report any suspected extremist behaviour to police as part of the Government's Prevent anti-radicalisation strategy'...so with a 10yr old, mistaking terraced for terrorist is extreme terrorist behaviour, just that/nothing else but that one word would say 'extreme terrorist possibility' to someone...?...


Schools are expected to assess the risk of children being drawn into terrorism...so if the family were no cause for concern previously..(and it would seem not because nothing has been found to be a cause of concern by the police..)...then where was the assessment first, other than that one misspelled word, before the police were called....?....


...the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop, would a white Christian family ever accept that or feel it was ok to do...would they say, well you have to be careful, don't you..I completely understand or would they say...em, excuse me, my child made a spelling error, has no record of any changing behaviour otherwise, do we look like terrorists to you ..?...it's that assumption that it was ok to do because this was a Muslim family and Muslim+mispelled word=possible terrorism...

Really strong point, I can get to a point what others are saying too but I think you have raised very strong and undeniable strong points at that.

[arista]

[kirklancaster]

I really do not think, that given the sad reality of the world we are living in now, that anyone has done anything wrong in the chain of events leading up to this incident.

Hindsight, is truly, the most wonderful thing, and also one of the most useless - if the mistakes of the past are not learnt from.

Who can forget that the Police Authorities HAD Fred and Rose West and Peter Sutcliffe (among other Serial Killers) in their clutches several times but failed - for one reason or another - to 'join the dots', thereby allowing these killers to murder more innocents.

It is the same with MOST of the terrorists who have caused so much carnage in the UK, France, the USA, and other countries, who were not only Muslim, but Muslim Extremists who were 'Flagged Up' or even detained and questioned by those country's, or other country's Intelligence Services prior to them committing their atrocities, but who - for some reason or other - were released and had their security risk status downgraded, leaving them free to commit their terrorist atrocities.

So we HAVE to LEARN from classic and tragic precedents such as these, and when even a 10 year old child writes that he lives in a "terrorist house", it CANNOT be ignored by any responsible adult - ESPECIALLY when that child is a Muslim.

Yes - it is sad that this is the status quo, but it is a fact that the one terrorist organisation currently causing 99% of the carnage and atrocities in the world is ISIS or DAESH, who PURPORT to be MUSLIM.

It is also a fact, that MOST of the ISIS or DAESH terrorists causing 99% of the carnage and atrocities within WESTERN Countries, are domiciled within those Countries and living quite ordinary, suburban lives in quite ordinary suburban households.

It is also another fact, that children in quite ordinary surburban households sometimes paraphrase what they have overheard their parents or other adults within their households talking about, and as the word 'Terrorist' is not one which we should reasonably expect to be in the vernacular of the average 10 year old, then the teachers and others were absolutely correct in reacting as they did to these 'triggers' - 'Muslim' household and 'Terrorist'.

It should not matter if a thousand such incidents are investigated and turn out to be 'false alarms' because it is through being vigilant and treating this terrorist threat with the gravity it deserves, that we can stay 'one step ahead' of them, and if such vigilance does, just one time, result in covert Jihadists domiciled here being caught BEFORE they have had time to murder and maim innocent people, then these responsible adults will be applauded.

Much has been rightfully written about how the majority of UK domiciled Muslims are decent, peaceful, responsible citizens, so the parents and families of this 10 year old should accept with good grace that the authorities are acting in the best interests of all of us - no matter how draconian or OTT such action may first appear.

We read the headlines when Lee Rigby is slaughtered in cold blood, or the Paris atrocities occur and we react with shock, horror and sympathy - But do we REALLY understand the heartbreak and grief of the families and close friends? Though we can sympathise and empathise, REAL grief - like pain - is incummunicable, and that pain and grief and heartbreak must be magnified a thousandfold when such a tragic loss COULD have been PREVENTED by timely reaction to intelligence and proper investigation.

So if just ONE innocent person is spared injury or death by adults reacting responsibly as they did here, then YES, in my opinion, it IS better to be safe than SORRY.

As for the suggestion by someone that it is some kind of 'joke' and 'a waste of time' which 'could have been prevented by a simple question to the kid', I ask; having committed a 'faux pas', is a 10 year old then not capable of realising his mistake and LYING to cover it up?

We should NOT accept then the words of a 10 year old when he makes a certain statement, but should absolutely ACCEPT his words that he made a mistake in writing that statement?

Some 10 year olds are more than capable of deceit and guile - ask the police officers who questioned Thompson and Venables.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Ah but what if the kid was actually confessing that his parents are actually terrorists and it was'nt a spelling mistake?You never can be too careful.

Because terrorists don't refer to THEMSELVES as terrorists ffs.

They call themselves freedom fighters, or jihadists, holy warriors, whatever...

"O yeh derp I come from a terrorist house where we do terror stuff lol."

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

it IS better to be safe than SORRY.

Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop, would a white Christian family ever accept that or feel it was ok to do...would they say, well you have to be careful, don't you..I completely understand or would they say...em, excuse me, my child made a spelling error, has no record of any changing behaviour otherwise, do we look like terrorists to you ..?...it's that assumption that it was ok to do because this was a Muslim family and Muslim+mispelled word=possible terrorism...

I would utterly lose my **** with them. I didn't even like Health Visitors coming in when my kids were babies, with both kids it didn't last long because we made it clear that we didn't need (or want) government workers poking around in our family life.

I can only imagine that if I was the "wrong race" I'd end up on some sort of watch list, because people would of course think "if he had nothing to hide, he wouldn't mind the state snooping about his stuff". Well, no. I don't have anything to hide. I just value my privacy and don't want to feel Big Bro breathing down my neck constantly. Of course that's OK for me, because I have a "white British" surname... it's obviously not OK if you have a Johnny Foreigner one.

[arista]

Ammi posted :
"the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop"



The Police have a job to do.
Teachers must keep up ,
with the New Updates.

Laws are changing all the time



Its not Easy for any teacher, I agree.


Life In The City

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because terrorists don't refer to THEMSELVES as terrorists ffs.

They call themselves freedom fighters, or jihadists, holy warriors, whatever...

"O yeh derp I come from a terrorist house where we do terror stuff lol."

yes, but a kid could easily associate terrorist with guns and stuff if he saw them lying about the house. You are putting an adult mind into a child

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, but a kid could easily associate terrorist with guns and stuff if he saw them lying about the house. You are putting an adult mind into a child

He's ten, not five... You're putting an infant mind into a pre-teen.