[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Should've gone to specsavers Niamh - and take Marsh with you.

(BTW - I look more like Idris Elba.)

Seriously though a part from the colour of his skin, his face has very similar shaped features to that drawing, even the ears

[Marsh.]

James Bond is supposed to be very well endowed. Obviously a black guy.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And unlike Daniel Craig, he doesn't get fat on his days off.

That's being 'Fattist' and is frowned upon on here on every thread which has nothing to do with Gemma Collins.

[Johnnyuk123]

Diversity in action ...

[Tom4784]

Ralph Fiennes being cast as Micheal Jackson is ridiculous.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ralph Fiennes being cast as Micheal Jackson is ridiculous.

I had to google that to see if you were being serious............but James Bond a fictional secret agent being black is an issue

ETA :Joseph Fiennes Dezzy

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I had to google that to see if you were being serious............but James Bond a fictional secret agent being black is an issue

ETA :Joseph Fiennes Dezzy

Ooops, wrong brother.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Ralph Fiennes cast as Michael Jackson. What were y'all saying about it not making sense for black actors to be cast as fictional characters that were originally white but once again it's shown that Hollywood has no problem casting whites in roles of real people that are black . I don't care if MJ had white skin afterwards, it was due to vitiligo. With all the cgi you could have made it work if you wanted. Heck, some made for to tv MJ movies made it work.
I remember someone's response to one black character someone said it was unrealistic to have a black based on factual history and someone replied here are dragons, godzilla like snakes, and whatever else and yet the only unrealistic thing is that there is a black guy in the movie!

It's a joke. MJ fans hate the idea.

The whole film will make a mockery of all three of MJ, Marlon Brando and Liz Taylor. Even more so given the the road trip on 9/11 story is nonsense.

Finnes hasn't helped matters by saying he doesn't see the issue given MJ was closer to his colour than black in latter years.

[arista]

Ryan
because its on SkyArts1HD
they can change anything around
in the name of Art

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ralph Fiennes being cast as Micheal Jackson is ridiculous.

Yes
but giving SkyArts1HD
massive PR.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Ryan
because its on SkyArts1HD
they can change anything around
in the name of Art

...strange though that it's not thought that these things can be changed around in the name of art if say Will Smith were to play John Lennon, is the point Arista..and something that has been said all through the thread...a real life white person can not be played by a black actor..so the reverse would be the same...and yet, here we are....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...strange though that it's not thought that these things can be changed around in the name of art if say Will Smith were to play John Lennon, is the point Arista..and something that has been said all through the thread...a real life white person can not be played by a black actor..so the reverse would be the same...and yet, here we are....

Yes Fair Points
but on a Art Channel
they would do Will Smith as J.L.

Because its not Mainstream
meaning they can get away with that.
As its more like a Play on Stage
for Fellow Artists to view.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Fair Points
but on a Art Channel
they would do Will Smith as J.L.

Because its not Mainstream
meaning they can get away with that.
As its more like a Play on Stage
for Fellow Artists to view.

...I'm just thinking about stage plays now and the huge Broadway/West End productions/successes...so Jesus Christ Superstar should have always been an all black cast for authenticity...because Nazareth and back in the day etc, there couldn't possibly have been 'white'...hmmmm, we need to look that up Arista, all of the castings for those since it was first on the stage...I'll have to leave that up to you if you have time because I'm off to work now....have a lovely day Arista...

[kirklancaster]

There is NOTHING more unintentionally hilarious than watching old movies - even some of the great ones - and seeing white actors portraying black characters, or American Indians or Indians etc -- though these were usually minor roles and extras etc.

The exceptions which spring to mind are Marlon Brando in 'Teahouse of The August Moon' where he played a Japanese character, Mickey Rooney, who did the same in 'Blekfast at Tiffanies' , and Jeffrey Hunter playing Christ in 'King of Kings'. There are probably hundreds more but I can't be bothered googling.

Anyway, the point is, that it is ludicrous, and though they may be excuses with some really old films when 'ethnic' actors were 'thin on the ground, it seems that we have learnt NOTHING.

Fiennes is a fine actor, but the whole MJ idea is preposterous and I believe that it is doomed to be tomorrow's 'Mr. Yunioshi' - the Japanese character Rooney portrayed in Breakfast At Tiffanies' -- embarrassing and laughable.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by arista

Ryan
because its on SkyArts1HD
they can change anything around
in the name of Art

I have no idea whatsoever what you are meaning. 'they can change anything around in the name of Art' wtf? How is it art to make a mockery of three dead people in a fabricated story?

Fiennes is an idiot as well. His defending of the film was downright disrespectful. He also says he did research on MJ, yet the moron said he doesn't even know if the story is real or not. Great research...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I have no idea whatsoever what you are meaning. 'they can change anything around in the name of Art' wtf? How is it art to make a mockery of three dead people in a fabricated story?

Fiennes is an idiot as well. His defending of the film was downright disrespectful. He also says he did research on MJ yet the moron said he doesn't even know if the story is real or not. Great research.

Yes a Surreal Story Line
"Shocking" to some.

That Actor was wise to take the gig
as he gets paid.
There are times when Actors refuse parts
and no money pays their home bills.
Thats is scary.


Also Unless you were lucky
enough to speak to that actor
what you read is more
words from his manager
making sure he is not
entangled on confusion.


And No Mockery was intended

[Johnnyuk123]

Diversity...








All of the above movies were very good movies regardless of colour. Why is it only deemed an issue if it's a white actor playing a black character?
Diversity after all is a two way street so movie roles should be open to everyone regardless of race, colour, gender etc.

[arista]

"Diversity..."


SkyArts1HD


Bang On Right Johnny

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I have no idea whatsoever what you are meaning. 'they can change anything around in the name of Art' wtf? How is it art to make a mockery of three dead people in a fabricated story?

Fiennes is an idiot as well. His defending of the film was downright disrespectful. He also says he did research on MJ, yet the moron said he doesn't even know if the story is real or not. Great research...

I think you are missing the point a bit. Characters can be put in any situation, real or imaginary, there is no requirement for the story to reflect real life events.

Also Jackson himself was a dichotomy. He spent his whole life trying to look like a white man, and in the end whether it be by skin disease or not, did look more white than black

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Diversity...








All of the above movies were very good movies regardless of colour. Why is it only deemed an issue if it's a white actor playing a black character?
Diversity after all is a two way street so movie roles should be open to everyone regardless of race, colour, gender etc.

Because the majority will always have more opportunities than the minority so Micheal B. Jordan playing Human Torch isn't taking an opportunity away from a white person because 90% of Superhero roles will go to white people. White people don't need more representation, we are the majority and we reap a lot of benefits because of that.

Denying the issue doesn't make it go away, all you are doing by trying to say that it's not an issue is burying your head in the sand because it makes you uncomfortable.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because the majority will always have more opportunities than the minority so Micheal B. Jordan playing Human Torch isn't taking an opportunity away from a white person because 90% of Superhero roles will go to white people. White people don't need more representation, we are the majority and we reap a lot of benefits because of that.

Denying the issue doesn't make it go away, all you are doing by trying to say that it's not an issue is burying your head in the sand because it makes you uncomfortable.

So you do not agree that diversity is a two way street?

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes a Surreal Story Line
"Shocking" to some.

That Actor was wise to take the gig
as he gets paid.
There are times when Actors refuse parts
and no money pays their home bills.
Thats is scary.


Also Unless you were lucky
enough to speak to that actor
what you read is more
words from his manager
making sure he is not
entangled on confusion.


And No Mockery was intended

Fiennes told Entertainment Tonight about his supposed research and not knowing if the story was true. Not his manager.

No mockery? The little we know of the story is mockery. The fairytale included Marlon Brando constantly wanting to stop for fast food. Fiennes said the story is 'light hearted'. I dread to think what drivel will come up.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think you are missing the point a bit. Characters can be put in any situation, real or imaginary, there is no requirement for the story to reflect real life events.

Also Jackson himself was a dichotomy. He spent his whole life trying to look like a white man, and in the end whether it be by skin disease or not, did look more white than black

Are you serious? The level of ignorance is astounding. He didn't want to turn white. Why the heck would he? He broke racial barriers on MTV and Thriller made him the King of Pop. He was the biggest artist on the planet. Yet then this black man decides, 'I'll turn white'?

He so wants to be white that in 1991 his Dangerous album is a New Jack Swing album, FFS. That's really the type of album a man wanting to be white would release.

Stop believing everything you read.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Fiennes told Entertainment Tonight about his supposed research and not knowing if the story was true. Not his manager.

No mockery? The little we know of the story is mockery. The fairytale included Marlon Brando constantly wanting to stop for fast food. Fiennes said the story is 'light hearted'. I dread to think what drivel will come up.



Are you serious? The level of ignorance is astounding. He didn't want to turn white. Why the heck would he? He broke racial barriers on MTV and Thriller made him the King of Pop. He was the biggest artist on the planet. Yet then this black man decides, 'I'll turn white'?

He so wants to be white that in 1991 his Dangerous album is a New Jack Swing album, FFS. That's really the type of album a man wanting to be white would release.

Stop believing everything you read.

No need for such aggression. I'm not alone with my view

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No need for such aggression. I'm not alone with my view

Of course you're not. Tons of people believe everything they hear. The majority of things written about MJ weren't true.

His autopsy report clearly states he had vitiligo. There is no reason why he'd want to change his skin to white. He was proud of his heritage.

[Kizzy]

I understand your frustration Ryan how can it be that it is accepted that a character based on an actual person be portrayed as a different ethnicity to the one known, and the issue of James Bond a fictional character can't be as it would be too confusing and not fit in with his back story?!