[hot2go]

Comparing Stephs defensive behaviour with Danielas destructive behaviour at the same age makes no sense. Steph was just fighting back. Daniela was destructive on a massive scale and addicted to cocaine. Steph was just reacting to being nominated and doing so by laughing about it and being funny. It was the others who turned it sour not Steph. Gemma started saying that Steph was out of control and saying she was too scared to be around her. Oh Really ? Since when ? ! That's when it kicked off....the people in the kitchen went in on Steph not the other way round.
Around the same time Dani started challenging Steph in front of everyone instead of taking to her to one side. Big mistake. Surely Dani knows better than to do that. Surely she knows from her own experience not to do that. And def not to do that in front of Gemma because Steph would feel ganged up on again and Gemma would love it. And she did love it, she had a ring side seat again and Dani was played like a fiddle again.
Stephs reaction was to laugh in the face of the noms and thumb her nose at BB, it was funny .... she didn't start crying or isolate herself from everyone like others have, she was having a laugh and winding the others up....it was the people in the kitchen who were the miserable ones not Steph....they created the situation that followed not Steph.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its simple female jealousy, horrible to see but very real. Dani is old and haggard, Steph is youthful and free and has lots of male attention. Spiteful, bitter jealousy

[rionablue]

Dani might have handled it wrong by not taking her aside but she has had one on ones with her where she has tried to advise her about the Jeremy situation and Steph wouldn't listen. I really don't think Dani is jealous of Steph what I do think is that Dani genuinely doesn't want Steph to head down the horrible dirty road Dani herself headed down. I think the quote 'if you continue like this you will never work again' may have been way over the top BUT Dani must have thought that if she said THAT maybe THEN Steph would listen. Im sick of Steph. I have blown hot and cold on Dani but I seriously think her heart is in the right place

[Visage]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Dani might have handled it wrong by not taking her aside but she has had one on ones with her where she has tried to advise her about the Jeremy situation and Steph wouldn't listen.

She may have tried to talk to Steph on a one to one a few times, but if Daniella had anything about her or was remotely concerned with Steph then she should know better (through experience and age) than to publicly make Steph feel humiliated or even worse ganged upon.

The way Daniella spoke to Steph in front of everyone was wrong on so many levels, if the thought process was to try and help Steph.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Dani might have handled it wrong by not taking her aside but she has had one on ones with her where she has tried to advise her about the Jeremy situation and Steph wouldn't listen. I really don't think Dani is jealous of Steph what I do think is that Dani genuinely doesn't want Steph to head down the horrible dirty road Dani herself headed down. I think the quote 'if you continue like this you will never work again' may have been way over the top BUT Dani must have thought that if she said THAT maybe THEN Steph would listen. Im sick of Steph. I have blown hot and cold on Dani but I seriously think her heart is in the right place

I understand that you think Dani means well and you are probably right
...I like her myself....but I think she is wrong to compare Steph with herself....there is no comparison at all....Dani was a human train crash with a drug addiction so bad her nose fell off, she was twice admitted to a high dependency drying out clinic and once sectioned.....she lost her family, her friends and ended up homeless.....she is herself a very vulnerable person like Steph but it's unfair of her to make any comparison between herself and Steph because there isn't one.
Steph was monumentally attacked and insulted 3 times last night...first put up for eviction by the housemates who had refused to do the task....then accused of being the same wreck as Dani at her age.....then, behind her back, accused of being out of control and too intimidating for the others to go to bed, by Gemma.
It's so awful it's hard to believe....and ironically it's Steph who looks like the bad guy in this story.

[jet]

Steph is behaving very erratically and unpredictably which is why the other HM's are uneasy. This is a 23 year old woman. If she's not jumping around like an 8 yr old (which is embarrassing to watch) she is screeching and raving and crying or in bed with Jeremy, cheating on her boyfriend. She went into the BB house to try to repair her reputation after her sacking from Hollyoaks and all we are seeing is the continuation of her downward spiral. The girl isn't well, and I don't find her demise entertaining at all.
That's the strain they all have to live with, and it is clearly getting to them all. They have tried talking calmly to her, but she never listens. Dani lost it with her, but she's allowed to make mistakes too. You can make them at any age, at any time. Having experience doesn't make anyone perfect.

[hot2go]

It's like watching two cats chuck a little mouse around...enjoying the distress they're giving it before one finally goes in for kill while the other one sits and watches

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I understand that you think Dani means well and you are probably right
...I like her myself....but I think she is wrong to compare Steph with herself....there is no comparison at all....Dani was a human train crash with a drug addiction so bad her nose fell off, she was twice admitted to a high dependency drying out clinic and once sectioned.....she lost her family, her friends and ended up homeless.....she is herself a very vulnerable person like Steph but it's unfair of her to make any comparison between herself and Steph because there isn't one.
Steph was monumentally attacked and insulted 3 times last night...first put up for eviction by the housemates who had refused to do the task....then accused of being the same wreck as Dani at her age.....then, behind her back, accused of being out of control and too intimidating for the others to go to bed, by Gemma.
It's so awful it's hard to believe....and ironically it's Steph who looks like the bad guy in this story.

You are exaggerating there. Gemma said she didn't want to go into the bedroom because Steph was yelling and screeching and it didn't look like it was going to end any time soon. What is wrong with that?

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Dani might have handled it wrong by not taking her aside but she has had one on ones with her where she has tried to advise her about the Jeremy situation and Steph wouldn't listen. I really don't think Dani is jealous of Steph what I do think is that Dani genuinely doesn't want Steph to head down the horrible dirty road Dani herself headed down. I think the quote 'if you continue like this you will never work again' may have been way over the top BUT Dani must have thought that if she said THAT maybe THEN Steph would listen. Im sick of Steph. I have blown hot and cold on Dani but I seriously think her heart is in the right place

as normal - I am right behind you rionablue - she done it because she has been there and got the tshirt - and like you say - she can see it clearly.

Daniella went up from last nights show in my estimation.

( don't worry I wont propose - well not yet anyway )

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I understand that you think Dani means well and you are probably right
...I like her myself....but I think she is wrong to compare Steph with herself....there is no comparison at all....Dani was a human train crash with a drug addiction so bad her nose fell off, she was twice admitted to a high dependency drying out clinic and once sectioned.....she lost her family, her friends and ended up homeless.....she is herself a very vulnerable person like Steph but it's unfair of her to make any comparison between herself and Steph because there isn't one.
Steph was monumentally attacked and insulted 3 times last night...first put up for eviction by the housemates who had refused to do the task....then accused of being the same wreck as Dani at her age.....then, behind her back, accused of being out of control and too intimidating for the others to go to bed, by Gemma.
It's so awful it's hard to believe....and ironically it's Steph who looks like the bad guy in this story.

I never heard anyone say she was like Dani I must have missed that part. I genuinely don't think Dani or anyone else was accusing Steph as being the SAME as Dani at that age because if they were or did that was not right. Steph is a complete and utter mess. I cant stand Collins so I am not even going to talk about here as she is a patronising bitch but maybe I am gullible when I still think that Dani (even though she handled the situation all wrong) was trying to warn Steph that if she continued the way she was going her credibility would be gone. And I thought the only housemate who refused to go into that room when asked was Darren. It looks like Stephs ONLY friend in the house is Jeremy SPECIALLY when Scotty has turned on her

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by jet

Steph is behaving very erratically and unpredictably which is why the other HM's are uneasy. This is a 23 year old woman. If she's not jumping around like an 8 yr old (which is embarrassing to watch) she is screeching and raving and crying or in bed with Jeremy, cheating on her boyfriend. She went into the BB house to try to repair her reputation after her sacking from Hollyoaks and all we are seeing is the continuation of her downward spiral. The girl isn't well, and I don't find her demise entertaining at all.
That's the strain they all have to live with, and it is clearly getting to them all. They have tried talking calmly to her, but she never listens. Dani lost it with her, but she's allowed to make mistakes too. You can make them at any age, at any time. Having experience doesn't make anyone perfect.

Excellent post Jet and I agree

[Visage]

Originally Posted by jet

Having experience doesn't make anyone perfect.

Of course it doesn't, but it does have something at the very least.

I like Daniella and I was hoping to see a much happier person than we are seeing. I believe Daniella has many demons that she's battling with too and I can truly believe how difficult it would be to live with someone like Steph.

However Daniella has spoken out loud about Steph's behaviour - it didn't change Steph

Daniella has taken Steph to one side (so we're being told) a few times - it didn't change Steph.

Daniella then has another go at Steph in front of the housemates and to back Daniella's point, she said "I'm only saying what the rest of the housemates have been saying behind your back" - Is that really the best way to get a point across? No, it feels like the whole house is against Steph - hence Steph's continuation into another meltdown.

I'm not making excuses for Steph, but I'm also not in favour of how most of the housemates have dealt with it all.

[cfromhx02]

If Steph has been set up last night,then hasn't Tiff also been set up by BB too but kept being given a positive light and sell by BB Footage and BOTS talk of her ?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

They have tried talking calmly to her, but she never listens. .

I agree, they have tried talking to her , but do they have a right to ? Maybe Dani, in private, but no way should Steph be told what to do by Gemma who never does anything she's told to do.
The other housemates are assuming the role of BB and thinking they can tell her what to do and they really can't....Steph is acting out just like Tiffany is acting out....she's no more out of control in those moments then Tiffany in hers....in fact Tiffany was way more angry and out of control last night, and rightfully so too.....yet neither Gemma or Dani confronted her....or, like John did, comforted her either.
Steph is being picked out and isolated by the group and then Ganged up on....apparently that's not bullying, but what do I know, I always thought those things were

[chuff me dizzy]

Absolutely set up !! Felt very sorry for Steph

[cfromhx02]

This is not about my usual criticism of Tiff which I still cannot understand why that keeps being ignored on BOTS and BB etc Rylan even said "let's not talk about that" when trying to avoid it last night,but I'll sat no more about it.

What I can't understand is other things about Tiff but she still gets support.

She tells us she is a fighter but almost every time someone upsets her she runs away and cries or recently threatens to leave the house.

She also was praised on BOTS last night for her bitches in the diary room the person praising her told us they are normally just in the diary room but praised her for them.Normally on BB if someone just bitches in the dairy room and daren't outside most of the time then that is frowned upon and they are seen as not as entertaining as those who normally dare to bitch in front of people.

So Tiff by normally running away proving she's not the fighter she says - so lies and normally just bitching in the DR not daring to in front of people - that surely should be seen as not as entertaining as if she dared to go out and normally bitch to their faces.

So why is it Tiff still gets this support,though,never mind,it's just mainly online and in the hardcore BB people in crowd (although about half and half with them cos lot of boos in crowd for Tiff at last eviction) but the mass Majority of BB s audience aren't online or in crowd,on BOTS etc and they probably will not support Tiff to same level for these things.

I'm still not getting why she gets the support though.She does two things which I said normally put people off contestants and Rylan said "let's not talk about that" so check that out and try and find out what he meant by it.What have BB been trying to cover up.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I never heard anyone say she was like Dani I must have missed that part. I genuinely don't think Dani or anyone else was accusing Steph as being the SAME as Dani at that age

It's sad and a mess but Dani did say that....on the live feed two nights ago the last 10 minutes of the show was Dani sat in bed telling all the others in the room that Steph is just like she was at that age and is heading for a life of destruction just like her.....that she is self destructive and is def going to ruin her life....that's a huge accusation and assumption ....especially to say to John and Darren who know exactly how bad Dani used to be ....that's a bad picture to paint of Steph....I understand why Steph feels so defensive all time and why she lashes out.....it must be so frustrating to know that there is a pack mentality taking place against you and that because of their ages their version of the story will be better than hers.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

This is not about my usual criticism of Tiff which I still cannot understand why that keeps being ignored on BOTS and BB etc Rylan even said "let's not talk about that" when trying to avoid it last night,but I'll sat no more about it.

What I can't understand is other things about Tiff but she still gets support.

She tells us she is a fighter but almost every time someone upsets her she runs away and cries or recently threatens to leave the house.

She also was praised on BOTS last night for her bitches in the diary room the person praising her told us they are normally just in the diary room but praised her for them.Normally on BB if someone just bitches in the dairy room and daren't outside most of the time then that is frowned upon and they are seen as not as entertaining as those who normally dare to bitch in front of people.

So Tiff by normally running away proving she's not the fighter she says - so lies and normally just bitching in the DR not daring to in front of people - that surely should be seen as not as entertaining as if she dared to go out and normally bitch to their faces.

So why is it Tiff still gets this support,though,never mind,it's just mainly online and in the hardcore BB people in crowd (although about half and half with them cos lot of boos in crowd for Tiff at last eviction) but the mass Majority of BB s audience aren't online or in crowd,on BOTS etc and they probably will not support Tiff to same level for these things.

I'm still not getting why she gets the support though.She does two things which I said normally put people off contestants and Rylan said "let's not talk about that" so check that out and try and find out what he meant by it.What have BB been trying to cover up.

I couldn't agree more but maybe copy and paste your post and start a thread for Tiffany....this thread is def about Steph so you're strong points may be lost

[ebandit]

embrace the joy........stephs laugh is great.........hearing she was nominated

best of all when she fell about watching HM's drink cocktails..........

all HM's are set up to a certain extent by the BB environment/production

Mark L

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I agree, they have tried talking to her , but do they have a right to ? Maybe Dani, in private, but no way should Steph be told what to do by Gemma who never does anything she's told to do.
The other housemates are assuming the role of BB and thinking they can tell her what to do and they really can't....Steph is acting out just like Tiffany is acting out....she's no more out of control in those moments then Tiffany in hers....in fact Tiffany was way more angry and out of control last night, and rightfully so too.....yet neither Gemma or Dani confronted her....or, like John did, comforted her either.
Steph is being picked out and isolated by the group and then Ganged up on....apparently that's not bullying, but what do I know, I always thought those things were

As far as I remember the only time Gemma has said anything to Steph about it was quite a while ago when she said outright "you've got a boyfriend and you're cheating on him" - and this was after the HM's had already tackled Steph about it. I don't think she has spoken to Steph about it again.
The fact that you bring Gemma up in every post as the root of all evil and when she isn't even involved in the incident being discussed diminishes the impact of your words as an obvious bias used that often just gets tiresome. For example, according to you, every negative word or action from Dani is Gemma's fault. I've seen Dani before plenty of times in other programmes, and she is impulsive and outspoken and can be nasty at times and Gemma has been nowhere in sight. I don't particularly like Dani, but I think last night she was at the end of her tether, in a bad mood, and that laid to her outburst.
Last nights problem was between Steph and Dani. Gemma had little or nothing to do with it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

As far as I remember the only time Gemma has said anything to Steph about it was quite a while ago when she said outright "you've got a boyfriend and you're cheating on him" - and this was after the HM's had already tackled Steph about it. I don't think she has spoken to Steph about it again.
The fact that you bring Gemma up in every post as the root of all evil and when she isn't even involved in the incident being discussed diminishes the impact of your words as an obvious bias used that often just gets tiresome. For example, according to you, every negative word or action from Dani is Gemma's fault. I've seen Dani before plenty of times in other programmes, and she is impulsive and outspoken and can be nasty at times and Gemma has been nowhere in sight. I don't particularly like Dani, but I think last night she was at the end of her tether, in a bad mood, and that laid to her outburst.
Last nights problem was between Steph and Dani. Gemma had little or nothing to do with it.

Gemma has loaded the gun for all the others to fire, sneaky fat cow

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Gemma has loaded the gun for all the others to fire, sneaky fat cow

That's John's role and he loves it. He wouldn't be happy to hear that Gemma is getting the credit.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

That's John's role and he loves it. He wouldn't be happy to hear that Gemma is getting the credit.

Is it chuff John doing that

[Amy Jade]

I thought Danniella was wrong last night, Steph obviously has issues but I don't think she has addictions like Danniella does so I fail to see a comparison between the two.

Steph got fired from Hollyoaks but she's young and talented - I think it was wrong for Danniella to tell her she wouldn't get work as that was clearly something that worries Steph. I don't think Danniella did it because she cares either, she just wanted to snipe imo, most of the others had been slagging off Steph and she thinks she's the one who should confront her because she thinks she's 'real' and 'says it as it is'.

As for being set up I think she was set up by Big Brother, it was obvious who would be the toxic housemates and who would be allowed to nominate, Gemma was even exempt from being picked so she had a free pass.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Gemma has loaded the gun for all the others to fire, sneaky fat cow

That's my, tiresome, point....Gemma hasn't said hardly anything to Steph compared to Dani....that's the difference, Dani has said it up front and to Steph, Gemma has said loads more but always to the others and behind Stephs back....the reason Gemmas name features in so many peoples posts about other housemates is because Gemma is always in the epi centre of all the trouble in the house ...mostly as a smiling assassin who, as chuff just pointed out, loads the gun then sits back and watches her minions fire the f-cker
It's impossible for me to defend Steph and NOT bring Gemma into the discussion because Gemma is the one who is instigating each and every attack that's taking place against Steph....but she does it in a way that fools others into thinking she's not involved....