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Niamh. · 03-02-2016, 11:40 AM

It's a pity that they have no way of recovering those deleted Voice Mails, they must be the key, otherwise why bother?

Unless they were deleted accidentally of course

Ammi · 03-02-2016, 11:49 AM

..I'm just having a break or a day or so and then going to start researching online because atm, I don't have any perspective other than Steven's defence side and apart from anything else, it feels wrong to not know more about the victim, they only did that small touching part at the end for her...

Ammi · 03-02-2016, 11:55 AM

..I was thinking as well that this has been a 'life sentence' for his parents, in and out of courts, fighting for his innocence as they've believed and rightly so the first time and they've done nothing wrong at all...

MTVN · 04-02-2016, 08:11 AM

Got all through ten eps of this in the last couple of days, one of the most fascinating and disturbing things I've ever seen. Sometimes easy to forget how recently it happened because these small town American sheriff departments being so dodgy and unaccountable is the sort of thing you expect to have been the case back in the 60s or 70s. I'm sorta conscious of relying on the documentary alone to make a judgement though so will have to read up on some stuff later (although I do think the documentary alone shows that neither of the trials were at all fair). In a way I wonder if the film makers should have released it a lot earlier so that it could have come to worldwide attention before they've both rotted in jail for nearly ten years, imagine their chances of a retrial are a lot stronger now and that there's a lot more lawyers/innocence projects interested in taking on the cases.

I agree that Brendan's treatment was more disturbing in many ways as well, especially by his supposed lawyer and that investigator. Seems like his second lawyers for the main trial actually missed quite a few tricks as well; sometimes they seemed really competent but its strange that they agreed to cut the video confession short and that they were never aware of or never made it clear how Brendan was pretty much forced into making that drawing. Or did they present that and they just didn't show it in the documentary?

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Another thing that really bugs me: when the judge is summing up at the sentencing hearing... He talks about Avery's "past crimes", and the fact that his crimes have been of "increasing severity" and that's why he's so dangerous.

He is quite clearly not talking about the cat incident. He is talking about the attempted rape. A crime that, legally, and conclusively, was not committed by Avery. Very, very odd. Is the judge suggesting that he WAS involved? Has he simply forgotten that that conviction was overturned? That someone else is in prison for it?

Yeah that got me as well. Saying his crimes got worse as he got older? The guy had only been free two years after spending 18 inside for a crime he hadn't committed, how can you use that as a basis for handing down a longer sentence.

GiRTh · 05-02-2016, 02:12 PM

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This one goes into a bit more detail actually

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/0...n_9048104.html

I'm almost caught up with this. I'm surprised I didnt know about this case as I usually find this kind of stuff fascinating and am always a sucker for a good conspiracy theory.

The theory highlighted in the link is as close to perfect in terms of explaining most of the evidence put forward during the documentary. Particulary the time line of Theresa's murder, the mysterious 'calling in' of the license plate two days before it was officially found, the lack of forensic evidence in the garage or on Averys property and the very shifty nature of Theresa's brother and boyfriend when they first appear in the film. Its still highly implausible that two separate groups of people tried to frame Avery at the same time while being complete unaware of the others efforts, but it all makes the story even more fascinating.

Niamh. · 05-02-2016, 02:16 PM

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I'm almost caught up with this. I'm surprised I didnt know about this case as I usually find this kind of stuff fascinating and am always a sucker for a good conspiracy theory.

The theory highlighted in the link is as close to perfect in terms of explaining most of the evidence put forward during the documentary. Particulary the time line of Theresa's murder, the mysterious 'calling in' of the license plate two days before it was officially found, the lack of forensic evidence in the garage or on Averys property and the very shifty nature of Theresa's brother and boyfriend when they first appear in the film. Its still highly implausible that two separate groups of people tried to frame Avery at the same time while being complete unaware of the others efforts, but it all makes the story even more fascinating.

Yeah, good luck actually proving that theory tbh lol but it makes everything fit so perfectly

I am still mystified though as to why they didn't search all the properties in the Averys land after the car and remains were found there and they'd found no DNA in Steves trailer or garage

Josy · 05-02-2016, 02:17 PM

Been reading some more stuff I never knew about on the Steven Avery profect fb page...

Someone anonymously sent a letter to the sheriff's office (there's pics of the actual letter) at the start of the investigation telling them the body was burned on the Friday morning at 3am in an aluminium smelter, the Manitowoc officers ignored the letter.

The bullet with the dna on it couldn't actually be confirmed to have come from Steven Avery's gun, they couldn't tell that, due to it being squashed and they were unable to identify the markings on the side of it, all they could tell is it came from 'A' .22. The prosecution decided to say it was definitely identified as Stevens gun.

Scott T was known to be trying to sell a .22 round about this time.

Josy · 05-02-2016, 02:18 PM

Oh and Scott T apparently had access to an aluminium smelter at work

Niamh. · 05-02-2016, 02:19 PM

Scotty t?

Josy · 05-02-2016, 02:20 PM

Theres 2 main fb pages ive been reading, one is run by someone from a neighbouring town and the excused jury member, they discuss allsorts on there.

The other is run by the family with some help, Brendans mum and Stevens niece, they don't allow anyone to discuss the fact that Scott, Bobby have been suspicious throughout.

Niamh. · 05-02-2016, 02:20 PM

But yeah, if I were to go with any other person doing it, it's him

Josy · 05-02-2016, 02:20 PM

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Scotty t?

I can't remember how to spell the second name

Niamh. · 05-02-2016, 02:20 PM

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Theres 2 main fb pages ive been reading, one is run by someone from a neghbouring town and the excused jury member, they discuss allsorts on there.

The other is run by the family with some help, Brendans mum and Stevens niece, they don't allow anyone to discuss the fact that Scott, Bobby have been suspicious throughout.

I wonder why not? especially when Steve is claiming it's his brothers

Niamh. · 05-02-2016, 02:21 PM

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I can't remember how to spell the second name

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Scotty Murdered Teresa halbach

Josy · 05-02-2016, 02:21 PM

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I wonder why not? especially when Steve is claiming it's his brothers

Yeah I know.

The papers over there must be having a field day though because the other day Brendans mum came on and posted that her husband, son Bobby and her other 2 brothers are not murderers regardless of what the media says

Josy · 05-02-2016, 02:22 PM

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Scotty Murdered Teresa halbach

GiRTh · 05-02-2016, 02:22 PM

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Yeah, good luck actually proving that theory tbh lol but it makes everything fit so perfectly

I am still mystified though as to why they didn't search all the properties in the Averys land after the car and remains were found there and they'd found no DNA in Steves trailer or garage

Agree. The scrap yard was huge; easily big enough for the murder to have been committed elsewhere on the property and Theresa body dumped in Steven Avery's burn pit.

Niamh. · 05-02-2016, 02:24 PM

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Agree. The scrap yard was huge; easily big enough for the murder to have been committed elsewhere on the property and Theresa body dumped in the Steven Avery's burn pit.

Yeah plus there was a few other Avery families living there, his brothers, and Brendans family atleast

Drew. · 05-02-2016, 02:27 PM

I never did trust Brendans brother in any of this as well. He was so shifty and quick to make it look like Stephen had been up to something.. he was far too suspicious looking.

Niamh. · 05-02-2016, 02:29 PM

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I never did trust Brendans brother in any of this as well. He was so shifty and quick to make it look like Stephen had been up to something.. he was far too suspicious looking.

yeah and Brendans step dad was even worse I think

GiRTh · 05-02-2016, 02:29 PM

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Yeah plus there was a few other Avery families living there, his brothers, and Brendans family atleast

True. The fact that Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych alibied each other, no one else alibied them and they didnt alibi any one else but each other. Also, their alibi were a bit too convenient; to happen to pass each other on the road while going on separate hunting trips at the time the murder was being committed? Its all a a bit shifty.

Niamh. · 05-02-2016, 02:30 PM

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True. The fact that Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych alibied each other, no one else alibied them and they didnt alibi any one else but each other. Also, their alibi were a bit too convenient; to happen to pass each other on the road while going on separate hunting trips at the time the murder was being committed? Its all a a bit shifty.

Yeah plus Scott was caught out on the stand with times he gave in his original statement to what he was testifying to in court

Drew. · 05-02-2016, 02:34 PM

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yeah and Brendans step dad was even worse I think

Yeah, i think thats the thing that gets me more than anything.. the fact Stephen was the only target in all of this, however suspicious other people were and even if there were the slightest signs anyone else could have murdered her or been involved there just wasn't any interest in them, It was just Avery they wanted from the start. But then maybe i've just answered my own questions.. all they wanted was Avery.