[Josy]

Averys new lawyer was.in Manitowoc this week with a forensic team to redo some up to date luminol testing.

There's also some rumours of a new suspect and that they were actually Theresas last stop that day, and the guys grandson who is in jail atm has asked to speak to the lawyer about what really happened.

If you Google zipperers there's quite a few theories

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Josy

Averys new lawyer was.in Manitowoc this week with a forensic team to redo some up to date luminol testing.

There's also some rumours of a new suspect and that they were actually Theresas last stop that day, and the guys grandson who is in jail atm has asked to speak to the lawyer about what really happened.

If you Google zipperers there's quite a few theories

..I've started to read some of the George Zipperer stuff and it is interesting because it would be feasible that he killed her..(shot her/thinking she was a trespasser..)...and then drove her car though the entrance near where it was found/also explaining the lack of blood everywhere at Avery's etc...and then the rest is history/type thing...the police illegally find the car when they shouldn't have been there, believed it was Avery and had to ensure his conviction/planted some DNA/the key...and also interesting that one of the things being said at the moment is that he's just torn his garage down..(where any evidence would have been..?..)...but then 10 years has passed so his garage was probably just past it's sell by date and needed replacing....I don't know, all of the potential suspects just all seem like dodgy characters/shifty to me, which is the problem...

[Ammi]

..also with one of the Zipperer theories, is that the blooming dog did it, he had threatened to have his dog eat any trespasser on his land...so the dog killed her and he had to cover that up...

[Ammi]

[Ammi]

..Josy/Niamh..(I can't find the autopsy report online..)..have we seen that..?..


..I'm probably being dumb here but with only charred bones/teeth etc and no confession from Steven Avery, how was it known about hand and ankle cuffed/rape/torture/her throat slit ..?..which would mean no blood/dna evidence if those never happened but wouldn't mean he hadn't killed her/burned her body though...and the 'confession' from Brendon told them nothing that they weren't manipulating him to confess, so they already seemed to know these things had happened anyway but how..?..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..Josy/Niamh..(I can't find the autopsy report online..)..have we seen that..?..


..I'm probably being dumb here but with only charred bones/teeth etc and no confession from Steven Avery, how was it known about hand and ankle cuffed/rape/torture/her throat slit ..?..which would mean no blood/dna evidence if those never happened but wouldn't mean he hadn't killed her/burned her body though...and the 'confession' from Brendon told them nothing that they weren't manipulating him to confess, so they already seemed to know these things had happened anyway but how..?..

The restraining, rape and throat (and hair) cutting are all purely from the "confession" of Brendan Dassey.

They manipulated the part about the rape because they needed to suggest a motive for Avery to have killed her. The throat cutting, purely and simply, is because they wanted Brendan to say that he saw Avery shoot her in the head and so they kept saying "What about the head, Brendan. Something about her head?" and two of his blatant GUESSES were that her throat was cut and that her hair was cut off.

So they had to write that ridiculous narrative that they cut her throat but she didn't die so they then also shot her. Because the throat cutting comment was already on tape.

The physical evidence proves two things ONLY about her death: she was shot in the head, and the body was burned. That's it.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The restraining, rape and throat (and hair) cutting are all purely from the "confession" of Brendan Dassey.

They manipulated the part about the rape because they needed to suggest a motive for Avery to have killed her. The throat cutting, purely and simply, is because they wanted Brendan to say that he saw Avery shoot her in the head and so they kept saying "What about the head, Brendan. Something about her head?" and two of his blatant GUESSES were that her throat was cut and that her hair was cut off.

So they had to write that ridiculous narrative that they cut her throat but she didn't die so they then also shot her. Because the throat cutting comment was already on tape.

The physical evidence proves two things ONLY about her death: she was shot in the head, and the body was burned. That's it.

...but didn't they 'suggest' specific things to Brendon first though, what they wanted to hear..so some pretty gruesome imaginations from those detectives...oh, yeah that'll do, she's suffered enough, we're happy with that.../I'm not being flippant, it's all pretty sick tbh...one of the things that I've been considering this whole time though, is no blood, no evidence of restraint etc and lack of forensics and how that's explained....and was Steven that 'clever' to clear everything up to the extent that some DNA had to be planted...but the likelihood is, that none of it was ever there in the first place so doesn't slant toward his possible innocence at all....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The restraining, rape and throat (and hair) cutting are all purely from the "confession" of Brendan Dassey.

They manipulated the part about the rape because they needed to suggest a motive for Avery to have killed her. The throat cutting, purely and simply, is because they wanted Brendan to say that he saw Avery shoot her in the head and so they kept saying "What about the head, Brendan. Something about her head?" and two of his blatant GUESSES were that her throat was cut and that her hair was cut off.

So they had to write that ridiculous narrative that they cut her throat but she didn't die so they then also shot her. Because the throat cutting comment was already on tape.

The physical evidence proves two things ONLY about her death: she was shot in the head, and the body was burned. That's it.

...being shot in the head, which is the only thing we know as cause of death would be more of an execution killing..?...which wouldn't be the 'profile' of this creepy/disturbed person that Steven has displayed signs of in burning the cat...