[Northern Monkey]

So what about the really old religions which came a long time before even Judaism?They died out with their respective cultures.Many of them believed in many gods with different abilities and duties.If they were not the true religions and don't exist because nobody believes them anymore then why are todays religions any different?
If a religion or concept such as polytheism can die out with its culture then it is not the true one is it?Again there cannot be only one god or many different ones.Religion only exists because people believe it.Proving that it is infact a man made concept.If it was'nt then it could'nt die out and would be eternal through all of time.Looking to the past helps to form the most plausable explanation.Religions can fade out with there believers.Therefore the believers are the ones who create god/s not the other way around.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

So what about the really old religions which came a long time before even Judaism?They died out with their respective cultures.Many of them believed in many gods with different abilities and duties.If they were not the true religions and don't exist because nobody believes them anymore then why are todays religions any different?
If a religion or concept such as polytheism can die out with its culture then it is not the true one is it?Again there cannot be only one god or many different ones.Religion only exists because people believe it.Proving that it is infact a man made concept.If it was'nt then it could'nt die out and would be eternal through all of time.Looking to the past helps to form the most plausable explanation.Religions can fade out with there believers.Therefore the believers are the ones who create god/s not the other way around.

Just because "belief" in those ancient religions died out doesn't mean any of them were totally wrong though, does it?

We're all fallible humans who don't actually know anything for certain, we just have our beliefs and our faith which is different for everyone.

Your definition of the word "proof" is interesting. Nothing's been proven.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Just because "belief" in those ancient religions died out doesn't mean any of them were totally wrong though, does it?

We're all fallible humans who don't actually know anything for certain, we just have our beliefs and our faith which is different for everyone.

Your definition of the word "proof" is interesting. Nothing's been proven.

It is proof because it has happened.Religions died with the people who followed them.That is irrefutable.They were created by people and died with those people.Man made.If they were not man made then they would not die out with their believers.A religion can only exist while there are people to believe it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It is proof because it has happened.Religions died with the people who followed them.That is irrefutable.They were created by people and died with those people.Man made.If they were not man made then they would not die out with their believers.A religion can only exist while there are people to believe it.

How is it irrefutable?

It's not in the slightest.

Not much "died out" as much as evolved anyway. The religions today are some form of those early religions.

It's not a case of people stopping believing because they were incorrect and starting a new one.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It is proof because it has happened.Religions died with the people who followed them.That is irrefutable.They were created by people and died with those people.Man made.If they were not man made then they would not die out with their believers.A religion can only exist while there are people to believe it.

But just because somebody doesn't believe something, doesn't make it non-true?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dollface

But just because somebody doesn't believe something, doesn't make it non-true?

In that case maybe Christianity is not true and the ancient Egyptian religion is.The concept of which totally contradicts Christianity.Many gods vs one god.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

In that case maybe Christianity is not true and the ancient Egyptian religion is.The concept of which totally contradicts Christianity.Many gods vs one god.

Eh?

That's called different people believing different things.

I think you've confused yourself.

Me believing A and you believing B isn't proof of either one of us being wrong. But this is oversimplifying a very complex topic.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Eh?

That's called different people believing different things.

I think you've confused yourself.

Me believing A and you believing B isn't proof of either one of us being wrong. But this is oversimplifying a very complex topic.

No i've confused you

But which is the real true religion A(many gods) or B(one almighty god) both cannot be the answer.They are a contradiction.There is either one or many.I believe there are non but for a believer either A or B can only be correct not both.So if A is wrong then why can't B also be wrong?This is why i'm not religious.All religions past and present are equal in authenticity to me.It is the most logical outcome.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

In that case maybe Christianity is not true and the ancient Egyptian religion is.The concept of which totally contradicts Christianity.Many gods vs one god.

i'll just quote marsh, he said it better than me lmao

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Eh?

That's called different people believing different things.

I think you've confused yourself.

Me believing A and you believing B isn't proof of either one of us being wrong. But this is oversimplifying a very complex topic.

[Ammi]

..surely the question answers itself really...because if something was visible, if people who had faith and belief in something could 'see', then no faith would be required would it..I can't see love but I believe in it because I feel it, I can't see hate but I believe in it because I feel it, I can't see worry/stress/sadness etc but I believe because I feel/we all feel and we all have faith in something in our lives...and things that aren't 'visible'...because that is the whole point and definition of faith isn't it...and with a God, if that's where some people's faith lies..?..well it's one of those things really, that a big part of that surely is that they will never 'meet' in life in terms of actually seeing their God, because that meeting for them won't come until death..but they have faith in life and although they don't 'see', they feel, they feel their God in life...but it's no different really when you think about it for many people who only believe in 'proven'...scientists can spend their whole entire lives having faith in something, in it's existence etc and the trying to prove it and can go into death never having done so/so for them it's been a belief and a faith really...this scientist 'proved' this/this scientist proved that...this is the date/this is the time when it was proven and then it became 'fact'..but how many scientists before in their lifetime's works/studies/research etc were never able to, so all they had was their total faith and their belief to be true...(and also many things still to be proven in an absolute way..)..

...anyways, just like everything else, there is interpretation and the 'slanting' of religion to try to excuse and to try justify in cases of intolerances/prejudices etc and the extremes of terrorist act...but there are also many people of religion that interpret positively as well and feel that their religion helps them to be more tolerant/less prejudice etc...and that's because people are people/always have been and always will be and good/bad/positive/negative/extremes of and all the in-betweens of...