[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that's cool TS but it still doesn't change what was said, only that you're standing by your interpretations...

You're taking a rather concrete stance on "what was said" though Ammi

there was no generalisations, only personal experiences and no matter how that's been interpreted, it doesn't change what was actually said which was no generalisation at all

...in your opinion. Which is no more or less valid than anyone else's. You're stating YOUR observations as objective truth?

[Marsh.]

I'll just drop the actual original post I made here...

The correlation between education and religion is an interesting one.

In my own experience, having grown up on a council estate in and mixed with some shall we say "rough" people (like really rough). They've always been the types to laugh at religion and anything like it.

This is me saying LT's point is interesting and offering another perspective to the same discussion. Not trying to prove or disprove either way.

But I blame Kizzy for blowing it out of proportion. She did warn me about dancing with her I suppose.

[Kazanne]

Just because you cant see something , doesn't mean it's not there

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're taking a rather concrete stance on "what was said" though Ammi

...no, I'm always fairly open to listening/there is nothing concrete at all about me TS, I re-read the original correlation post by Marsh twice just to make sure that I didn't feel as though I had misinterpreted and don't feel I did.. and Marsh himself has confirmed his meaning to be what I personally felt it was...


..anyways, I have a Valentine Disco to go to now so I'll leave you all to your misinterpretations/interpretations and discussion etc... I'm off to show my moves to St Valentine...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..anyways, I have a Valentine Disco to go to now so I'll leave you all to your misinterpretations/interpretations and discussion etc... I'm off to show my moves to St Valentine...

Have fun.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just because you cant see something , doesn't mean it's not there

Absolutely!

They've just found gravitational waves from black holes, which we can't see, who knows what else will be found in years to come.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Absolutely!

They've just found gravitational waves from black holes, which we can't see, who knows what else will be found in years to come.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Absolutely!

They've just found gravitational waves from black holes, which we can't see, who knows what else will be found in years to come.

lol yes but there hard core evidence for that

Its not just a tale in a 2000 year old book!


(and btw no one is looking for gods so soz)

[Crimson Dynamo]

you cant equate black hole gravitational waves with fictitious deities


it wont wash sista

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol yes but there hard core evidence for that

Its not just a tale in a 2000 year old book!

Yes there is now, but who's to say there won't be hard core evidence for heaven/god/angels/spirit guides in the future

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Yes there is now, but who's to say there won't be hard core evidence for heaven/god/angels/spirit guides in the future

science

as none is looking for them as they dont exist


There has to be evidence and scientific evidence


Book fiction is not enough I am afraid

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'll just drop the actual original post I made here...



This is me saying LT's point is interesting and offering another perspective to the same discussion. Not trying to prove or disprove either way.

But I blame Kizzy for blowing it out of proportion. She did warn me about dancing with her I suppose.

... ... ... ... ... ... OK so I've read back, and I'm willing to conceed that this actually may have been a completely random comment and not a generalisation designed to prove a point. ... ... ... ... Oh well! This has been fun anyway . Soz lol.

(I also wasn't wrong about Kazanne and the "feral and hostile" comments being ****ing awful, comments which have somehow been completely lost in all of this...)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Yes there is now, but who's to say there won't be hard core evidence for heaven/god/angels/spirit guides in the future

You could say that about literally anything though... it's totally meaningless. Whose to say that there won't be hardcore evidence that my left pinkie toe is the reaincarnation of Marc Anthony, and my right Cleopatra, forever tragically separated by fate?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

science

as none is looking for them as they dont exist


There has to be evidence and scientific evidence


Book fiction is not enough I am afraid

There will be evidence in the future, i have faith that angels will connect with more people, pushing us towards a higher vibration

My nana years ago when she was a young lady, walked out into the road, she would have been knocked down, if it wasn't for someone pulling her back, when she turned to see who it was, there stood an American Indian with full head-dress, the was in the middle of England this was her spirit guide

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

There will be evidence in the future, i have faith that angels will connect with more people, pushing us towards a higher vibration

My nana years ago when she was a young lady, walked out into the road, she would have been knocked down, if it wasn't for someone pulling her back, when she turned to see who it was, there stood an American Indian with full head-dress, the was in the middle of England this was her spirit guide

I am afraid she was either lying or was mistaken

take your pick

[jet]

The fact that people try to disprove the existence of God so adamantly actually strengthens the argument for His existence. For if belief in God is so stupid and unbelievable why would a non - believer even bother to try to refute something they KNOW doesn't exist?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You could say that about literally anything though... it's totally meaningless. Whose to say that there won't be hardcore evidence that my left pinkie toe is the reaincarnation of Marc Anthony, and my right Cleopatra, forever tragically separated by fate?

But everything starts with an idea, until it's proven, people thought the Earth was flat and it was proved to be round, people thought the atom was the smallest particle until they cracked it open and a whole load of crap came out of it, we are finding new stuff in the universe all the time, who's to say we won't find other beings, whether they be angels/aliens or the ghost of Cleopatra

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am afraid she was either lying or was mistaken

take your pick

Lol!

Open your mind LT you might like it, who knows you might choose the the red pill and be amazed at what you find

[user104658]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

There will be evidence in the future, i have faith that angels will connect with more people, pushing us towards a higher vibration

My nana years ago when she was a young lady, walked out into the road, she would have been knocked down, if it wasn't for someone pulling her back, when she turned to see who it was, there stood an American Indian with full head-dress, the was in the middle of England this was her spirit guide

Yeah but where in that does it become the literal "angels" from organised religious literature? Even if these angels / spirits / guides do exist... they could simply be mortal beings from another slightly out-of-phase dimension, but a higher dimension in which they have discovered how to see and interact with us here? This is the sort of thing I'm on board with. Infinite possibility, the UNKNOWN and not-yet-understood mysteries of existence, which (almost certainly) extends far beyond our own perception.

It's STILL totally ridiculous to think that humans already have the answers written down in books, with weird rules to follow, and chants to recite, and special "holy" men and buildings. What we understand of the Universe is minimal so all sorts of things will be "truth" that we can't even comprehend yet, or probably ever. The likelihood of any of those things even remotely resembling an Abrahamic religion or any other limited, human-based religion? Absolutely miniscule to the point of being completely disregarded as nonsense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by jet

The fact that people try to disprove the existence of God so adamantly actually strengthens the argument for His existence. For if belief in God is so stupid and unbelievable why would a non - believer even bother to try to refute something they KNOW doesn't exist?

Until I get Kirk to denounce Jesus and God and join the dark side I will never desist



Also its called

Off Season

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Lol!

Open your mind LT you might like it, who knows you might choose the the red pill and be amazed at what you find

Its not about opening your mind what you are describing is bypassing my mind

Read my gravitational waves thread, that will open and expand your mind

When I haver all the knowledge available about the amazing universe then I will have time to contemplate stuff made up by humans to make life simpler

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Until I get Kirk to denounce Jesus and God and join the dark side I will never desist



Also its called

Off Season

Off Season is a bit of a meaningless concept to me... the last Big Brother I watched was the one with the hooker, and maybe about 1/3 of the one with Perez and Hopkins and co.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

... ... ... ... ... ... OK so I've read back, and I'm willing to conceed that this actually may have been a completely random comment and not a generalisation designed to prove a point. ... ... ... ... Oh well! This has been fun anyway . Soz lol.

I told you, Kizzy is a menace to this forum.

[jet]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its not about opening your mind what you are describing is bypassing my mind

Read my gravitational waves thread, that will open and expand your mind

When I haver all the knowledge available about the amazing universe then I will have time to contemplate stuff made up by humans to make life simpler

But believing in God doesn't make life simpler. All those rules, laws and rituals....it makes life much harder surely? Not believing, on the other hand, makes life a lot simpler. Which is maybe why non believers don't want to even think about an alternative...too much like hard work?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah but where in that does it become the literal "angels" from organised religious literature? Even if these angels / spirits / guides do exist... they could simply be mortal beings from another slightly out-of-phase dimension, but a higher dimension in which they have discovered how to see and interact with us here? This is the sort of thing I'm on board with. Infinite possibility, the UNKNOWN and not-yet-understood mysteries of existence, which (almost certainly) extends far beyond our own perception.

It's STILL totally ridiculous to think that humans already have the answers written down in books, with weird rules to follow, and chants to recite, and special "holy" men and buildings. What we understand of the Universe is minimal so all sorts of things will be "truth" that we can't even comprehend yet, or probably ever. The likelihood of any of those things even remotely resembling an Abrahamic religion or any other limited, human-based religion? Absolutely miniscule to the point of being completely disregarded as nonsense.

Absolutely! What i probably haven't divulged is that i'm not religious per say, so the bible to me the church etc is a human tool, formed to keep the masses compliant, this is my own opinion, however i do believe in angels, in spirit, in spirit guides and yes these beings could come from a slightly out of phase dimension or a higher dimension, they know more than we could ever believe possible, i see these beings as angels, others may see them as aliens, to me they are one and the same.

I do think the bible makes for good reading though, and the church always provokes a deep emotional response....why is this?