[Tom4784]

It was a just decision although your agenda is rather transparent in this topic. One lawful shooting does not change or lessen the fact that the US has a problem with Police Brutality.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was a just decision although your agenda is rather transparent in this topic. One lawful shooting does not change or lessen the fact that the US has a problem with Police Brutality.

Yes, I suspect there's an attempt being made to justify US-cop-shootings in general by showing this one...

...except in this one, the officers are being by the book and, I would say, even going above and beyond to make life easier for the guy before he pulls a gun on them and shoots first. It's hardly the same as, or a justification for, incidents where the police have rolled up and started shooting no questions asked, or just flat out shot unarmed people in the back.

Is it being used as an explanation for why some cops are "jumpy" / trigger happy? It really shouldn't be. They're (supposedly) trained to assess and handle these situations for the best outcome.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was a just decision although your agenda is rather transparent in this topic. One lawful shooting does not change or lessen the fact that the US has a problem with Police Brutality.

the US also has a real issue with certain cultures in the US that want to kill cops. Who is going to start confronting those toxic thug cultures? oh yea, only the police actually confront them, because the neighbors, the other people in those neighborhoods are scared ****less for good reason.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

the US also has a real issue with certain cultures in the US that want to kill cops. Who is going to start confronting those toxic thug cultures? oh yea, only the police actually confront them, because the neighbors, the other people in those neighborhoods are scared ****less for good reason.

Except that's got nothing to do with the incidents of Police Brutality over the past few years in which the Police have killed unarmed people.

Like I said before, this incident was completely lawful but that doesn't change the fact that Police Brutality is a real and present thing.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except that's got nothing to do with the incidents of Police Brutality over the past few years in which the Police have killed unarmed people.

Like I said before, this incident was completely lawful but that doesn't change the fact that Police Brutality is a real and present thing.

it has everything to do with it, because the police are in a catch-22///

if they don't confront the thugs then they get accused of ignoring the community and not protecting minority communities, and when they do confront the thugs they get accused of targeting certain minorities. they can't win.

damned if they do and damned if they don't.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i think my point was well made and obviously you seem to have understood it

The problem is that you've convinced yourself that it's an issue of hating the police and you're using desperate examples to try to downplay the police brutality angle because you don't have a counter argument for it.

Like I've said before (and you will ignore it like the other times I've said this) It's not about hating the police, it's about holding them responsible when they misuse their power. A lawful shooting incident has no bearing on an Brutality incident and vice versa.

Most police officers are perfectly fine but it's the ones that believe they are Dirty Harry that's the issue and the fact that the system protects them when they should be on trial for murder. Ignoring the problem and denying it exists is a great way of ensuring that things will only get worse.

Originally Posted by lostalex

it has everything to do with it, because the police are in a catch-22///

if they don't confront the thugs then they get accused of ignoring the community and not protecting minority communities, and when they do confront the thugs they get accused of targeting certain minorities. they can't win.

damned if they do and damned if they don't.

You're oversimplifying things to suit your point of view.

There's nothing wrong with this incident, the man drew a gun on the police and they acted appropriately. The problem is that LT is trying to say that this one incident overrides the fact that hundreds of innocent people have been executed by police officers over the past few years and they have been protected despite the fact they've murdered people.

They only get accused of Police Brutality when, you know, they actually COMMIT Police Brutality. Nobody will claim that this incident is Police Brutality but a police officer shooting a boy in a park one second after he got out of his patrol car, a unarmed man being choked to death when he posed no threat and a surrendering man being shot in the back of the head gangland style are just a few examples of the top of my head that I can think of when it comes to recent Brutality incidents. There are many more.

It's quite awful that you are ignoring the facts of these incidents to accuse the victims and their families of playing the race card.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem is that you've convinced yourself that it's an issue of hating the police and you're using desperate examples to try to downplay the police brutality angle because you don't have a counter argument for it.

Like I've said before (and you will ignore it like the other times I've said this) It's not about hating the police, it's about holding them responsible when they misuse their power. A lawful shooting incident has no bearing on an Brutality incident and vice versa.

Most police officers are perfectly fine but it's the ones that believe they are Dirty Harry that's the issue and the fact that the system protects them when they should be on trial for murder. Ignoring the problem and denying it exists is a great way of ensuring that things will only get worse.



You're oversimplifying things to suit your point of view.

There's nothing wrong with this incident, the man drew a gun on the police and they acted appropriately. The problem is that LT is trying to say that this one incident overrides the fact that hundreds of innocent people have been executed by police officers over the past few years and they have been protected despite the fact they've murdered people.

They only get accused of Police Brutality when, you know, they actually COMMIT Police Brutality. Nobody will claim that this incident is Police Brutality but a police officer shooting a boy in a park one second after he got out of his patrol car, a unarmed man being choked to death when he posed no threat and a surrendering man being shot in the back of the head gangland style are just a few examples of the top of my head that I can think of when it comes to recent Brutality incidents. There are many more.

It's quite awful that you are ignoring the facts of these incidents to accuse the victims and their families of playing the race card.

to call illustrating the difficult job policemen do in the USA a desperate example, one where an officer was wounded is frankly disgusting

utterly disgusting, shame on you

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Instead of recognising the hard job done by the vast majority of officers the usual suspects cannot wait to stick the boot in and roll out the agendas

its truly vile

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to call illustrating the difficult job policemen do in the USA a desperate example, one where an officer was wounded is frankly disgusting

utterly disgusting, shame on you

Excellent job at avoiding the issue and sticking your head in the sand. As I predicted you've glazed over my point to dole out your ignorant rhetoric.

It shouldn't be news that a Police Officer is acting appropriately and you are using this example to sweep all those Police Brutality incidents under the carpet. I wouldn't accuse other people of having an agenda when this entire thread is fuelled by your own agenda. You literally only posted this to try to score points against people who acknowledges that the US has an issue with Police Brutality. You are completely and utterly transparent.

If you actually READ my post you'd see that I said that it's not about hating the police, it's about holding the few that abuse their position responsible for their actions because it's them that are the issue, not the majority that are competent at their job. You're just gonna ignore that though like you ALWAYS do because you can't respond to it without admitting defeat on the issue. You'd rather speak in incorrect broad strokes that paint anyone who can see the reality of the situation as cop haters. You are willfully ignorant LT.

Keep burying your head in the sand, you've become quite good at it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was a just decision although your agenda is rather transparent in this topic. One lawful shooting does not change or lessen the fact that the US has a problem with Police Brutality.

and it has a much bigger problems with criminals, punks and hoodlums

Lets hope some pop star sings about that, oh wait there is a whole music sub-culture celebrating it

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and it has a much bigger problems with criminals, punks and hoodlums

Lets hope some pop star sings about that, oh wait there is a whole music sub-culture celebrating it

So now you're blaming rap music? Have I time travelled back to the 90's somehow? Are you going to start campaigning against Mortal Kombat and Doom since they're obviously ruining the youth of today as well?

One problem is unrelated to the other, you are just desperately trying to justify the fact that you are downplaying the issue because it makes you uncomfortable. The police do not and should not have the power to execute people as a first resort, this isn't ****ing Judge Dredd or Robocop.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So now you're blaming rap music? Have I time travelled back to the 90's somehow? Are you going to start campaigning against Mortal Kombat and Doom since they're obviously ruining the youth of today as well?

One problem is unrelated to the other, you are just desperately trying to justify the fact that you are downplaying the issue because it makes you uncomfortable. The police do not and should not have the power to execute people as a first resort, this isn't ****ing Judge Dredd or Robocop.

i think my point was well made and obviously you seem to have understood it

[Ammi]

... know someone/a child who was diagnosed with leukaemia, it was many years ago/he sadly died but his death wasn't because of the cancer, the prognosis for that was positive and very treatable... he died an excruciating death because the person administering his radiation treatment gave him 50 times the prescribed dosage...a complete incompetency of someone, in a profession, if you like..that we all place trust in...would we say that because of that..(..and other incompetence's will have happened to other people and lives lost through those as well..)...that the whole medical profession was incompetent/questionable for the job that they're doing...no, obviously...would we say that this person shouldn't have been held accountable because of the good medical people...if it was your child, LT...who had lost their life because someone in a position to be respected by yourself, had used huge misjudgements, 'had not assessed a situation of dosage properly'... would you think it was ok for that person not to be held accountable/because of all of the good work done in the medical profession by other staff...


..I know trained medical staff don't generally encounter weapons being involved with their jobs/and there's a factor in that as well.. but it's still something that's trained and weapons being involved is police training...misjudgements can happen yes but because life or death is so important, when acts are questionable, then accountability has to be there as well...and yes also, that will involve criticism and possible other things in the system, which include race...but there can't be a 'good police force' if it ignores these things...people will carry on being killed when that may not have been the only option...


..and again, if it was your child and a celebrity 'raised an awareness' of that to a 'captive audience'...would you think that was a bad thing, would you not want awareness raised and appreciate anyone who did that...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

... know someone/a child who was diagnosed with leukaemia, it was many years ago/he sadly died but his death wasn't because of the cancer, the prognosis for that was positive and very treatable... he died an excruciating death because the person administering his radiation treatment gave him 50 times the prescribed dosage...a complete incompetency of someone, in a profession, if you like..that we all place trust in...would we say that because of that..(..and other incompetence's will have happened to other people and lives lost through those as well..)...that the whole medical profession was incompetent/questionable for the job that they're doing...no, obviously...would we say that this person shouldn't have been held accountable because of the good medical people...if it was your child, LT...who had lost their life because someone in a position to be respected by yourself, had used huge misjudgements, 'had not assessed a situation of dosage properly'... would you think it was ok for that person not to be held accountable/because of all of the good work done in the medical profession by other staff...


..I know trained medical staff don't generally encounter weapons being involved with their jobs/and there's a factor in that as well.. but it's still something that's trained and weapons being involved is police training...misjudgements can happen yes but because life or death is so important, when acts are questionable, then accountability has to be there as well...and yes also, that will involve criticism and possible other things in the system, which include race...but there can't be a 'good police force' if it ignores these things...people will carry on being killed when that may not have been the only option...


..and again, if it was your child and a celebrity 'raised an awareness' of that to a 'captive audience'...would you think that was a bad thing, would you not want awareness raised and appreciate anyone who did that...

I am sorry but your example is way way too far removed from the debate to consider it

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am sorry but your example is way way too far removed from the debate to consider it

..it's not really a debate though, is it...it's more you saying that being a police officer in the USA is a hard job..(which I agree with..)...so basically therefore it follows that every decision and every individual judgement by police officers when they draw their weapon and shoot to kill is the right one/that's the logic of it..and then sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la la la la to anyone who offers a debate to the contrary...and responses to people like Dezzy and Girth who have taken time and thought in posting and offering opinions which would make debate...are 'vile', 'disgusting', 'smh'.... so definitely not really anything that would ever make it a debate....whatever 'smh' is, it's probably more that than a debate...