[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I live by here and I'm not making accusations at all but the police officer who claims to have been bit by the dog refused to show the alleged bite mark

Mmmmm

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just to say Cherie, there is going to be an internal enquiry into this, I'm not sure whether it'll achieve much as there were only those police officers there...seeing the pic of the road though, it is the main running through dual carriageway so quite a busy road and I would have thought has large HGV traffic most times of day and night...here's the link from the Telegraph..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-officers.html

Thanks Ammi

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Would you swerve at 70mph to avoid a fox? If you would, I seriously hope for the safety of all road users that you don't drive.

I do drive and thankfully have never run anything or anyone over,this wasn't a case of swerving to avoid a fox it was deliberate intent to kill the dog.I understand it was a danger,but,so would a drunk etc been had they been in the road,what would they have done then ?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I do drive and thankfully have never run anything or anyone over,this wasn't a case of swerving to avoid a fox it was deliberate intent to kill the dog.I understand it was a danger,but,so would a drunk etc been had they been in the road,what would they have done then ?

Well we're going to fundamentally disagree here because I don't compare human lives to dogs lives, but putting that aside, two police officers could take down and remove a drunk human in seconds... They're not going to evade them for long like a dog.

As for the swerving, I'm talking about the fact that vehicles were taking risks to avoid it in the first place. Travelling at 70, if something humps in front of you, there absolutely no way you have time to check to the back and sides before you swerve or hit the brakes. Emergency stop doing 70 with an HGV anywhere near behind you and you're dead. Plain and simple.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I vapourised 2 young pheasants at Christmas as the alternative was death by drowning or death by a lorry full of logs

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I vapourised 2 young pheasants at Christmas as the alternative was death by drowning or death by a lorry full of logs

Did they taste nice LT

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well we're going to fundamentally disagree here because I don't compare human lives to dogs lives, but putting that aside, two police officers could take down and remove a drunk human in seconds... They're not going to evade them for long like a dog.

As for the swerving, I'm talking about the fact that vehicles were taking risks to avoid it in the first place. Travelling at 70, if something humps in front of you, there absolutely no way you have time to check to the back and sides before you swerve or hit the brakes. Emergency stop doing 70 with an HGV anywhere near behind you and you're dead. Plain and simple.

I totally get that,but a drunk etc in the road would be equally as dangerous and traffic would slow down and not travel 70 miles ph

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Did they taste nice LT

i am sure some crow thought so

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I totally get that,but a drunk etc in the road would be equally as dangerous and traffic would slow down and not travel 70 miles ph

A drunk could be easily apprehended though and doesn't pose a threat to the police like an animal does. Unless said drunk was armed and swinging a machete or something, and then its a totally different discussion

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

A drunk could be easily apprehended though and doesn't pose a threat to the police like an animal does. Unless said drunk was armed and swinging a machete or something, and then its a totally different discussion

This drunk is wild Vicky,and on a moped,lol he is armed to the teeth and has been known to bite people

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This drunk is wild Vicky,and on a moped,lol he is armed to the teeth and has been known to bite people

I have no issue with him being deliberately knocked down then. We do not need another Suarez

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I vapourised 2 young pheasants at Christmas as the alternative was death by drowning or death by a lorry full of logs

Final destination teas

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Final destination teas

i often pass these huge lorries stacked full of 30 foot fresh cut logs on narrow 2 lane roads - on a bend its horrific

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i often pass these huge lorries stacked full of 30 foot fresh cut logs on narrow 2 lane roads - on a bend its horrific

The worst ever is driving in a lane between two of them, that happened to me once, i was horrified

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I do drive and thankfully have never run anything or anyone over,this wasn't a case of swerving to avoid a fox it was deliberate intent to kill the dog.I understand it was a danger,but,so would a drunk etc been had they been in the road,what would they have done then ?

Well....people have the ability to communicate with each other, dogs do not.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well....people have the ability to communicate with each other, dogs do not.

my dog understands my moods a lot better than my ex-wife ever did

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i often pass these huge lorries stacked full of 30 foot fresh cut logs on narrow 2 lane roads - on a bend its horrific

Yeah there's a lot of logging around here too - we were 2 cars behind one last week, the other car was staying like 200m back, because it looked like there were brick-sized chunks of wood randomly falling off occasionally.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

my dog understands my moods a lot better than my ex-wife ever did

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

my dog understands my moods a lot better than my ex-wife ever did

That's because your ex wife is a fox. Grrr.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Erm,excuse me,I would feel exactly the same had it been a badger/fox etc,all life is precious,I am not sold on the idea that deliberately running into it and killing it was their only option,I am sure drivers who knew the situation would happily have stopped and helped to catch it,poor animal was probably already terrified,afterall had it been some nutter or drunk person running in the road,would they have done the same to them ?

I don't really know the ins and outs of exactly what happened because there hasn't been a lot of detail, but at a guess, I'd agree with you that it may not have been their only option. It would be very unusual for only one option to be available. But I'd imagine that being in that situation, a quick decision would have to be made, they wouldn't necessarily have the same luxury as us of being able to sit back and fully analyse the situation and weigh up the pro's and con's of every possible solution. I don't think the decision would have been taken lightly (I'd hope not anyway) but their priority being human lives I can't critisise them. If a relative of mine had been seriously injured or killed as a result of traffic swerving out the way of the dog I'd wished that any action would have been taken to prevent it.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Would you swerve at 70mph to avoid a fox? If you would, I seriously hope for the safety of all road users that you don't drive.

Some people would through instinct, the shock of seeing something in the road infront of you, a split second moment, it's highly likely that a lot of people (including generally good drivers) would do that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Some people would through instinct, the shock of seeing something in the road infront of you, a split second moment, it's highly likely that a lot of people (including generally good drivers) would do that.

True, most people's instinct is to get out of the way or slam on the brakes... But then, that's how pile ups happen, and they do happen semi-regularly.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True, most people's instinct is to get out of the way or slam on the brakes... But then, that's how pile ups happen, and they do happen semi-regularly.

So by most people, you're obviously not referring to yourself and your spider senses.

If you're paying attention, not talking on the phone or lost in a radio show, I'd say most people's instinct would be to try a safe avoidance tactic that'd end up being successful. Nothing's black or white... and I'd much rather miss an animal. Although I fully expect you to tell me how silly and wrong I am.

My feeling is that more people are going to plough into animals now the police have shown us their half-arsed, ill-thought through attempt at removing the said dog from said road.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

They would of got a gun man in to shoot it. Its the same with a horse. If you break down with a horse onboard a lorry on a motorway, under no circumstances can you remove that horse from one vechicle into another. The only option your'e given is to have the horse trook removed with the animal in it or you have the horse destroyed.

OMG... seldom have I ever seen a post so wrong.

In an emergency, you're not allowed to unload a horse on a motorway unless the police are present. I can't imagine the backlash if a couple of coppers decided that because you can't get your Ł10m racehorse out of one box and into another, you're going to have to have it shot.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

My feeling is that more people are going to plough into animals now the police have shown us their half-arsed, ill-thought through attempt at removing the said dog from said road.

Sadly, i think this will be true. I was once driving along a B road when a fox ran into the path of my car, I didn't even know it was there until I hit it. I can tell you that it made a hell of a mess of the car, and broke a few bits of it too.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Only thing I've killed so far was a Pigeon, thankfully, not that killing a pigeon is great either, I felt so horrible I thought he'd fly away quicker than he did

[Christmas Dynasnow]

my big fear is hitting a deer, i have been so close numerous times