[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Seriously though, not a single republican candidate wants to protect climate change? Doesn’t that worry you or do you agree with them?

As for Trump, the American presidency isn’t like hosting a talk show, its not about pandering to get yourself in the news and its not about playing to the crowd back home. Presidency isn’t about Trumps sort of vindictive entertainment either….One that comes to mind is when he mimicked the body movements of that physically handicapped journalist who outed his big lie on Muslims cheering 9/11.

American presidency is not about gold leaf and marble columns or having your name up in lights; nor is it about threatening to sue those who discredit your governance, but about massive decision making and taking responsibility for those decisions; responsibilities like sending 21 year olds into war zones, ensuring the banking system doesn’t collapse and owning the nuclear codes. Being the US president its not just about looking after America either, but about working as a world diplomat with other leaders around the globe and giving assistance when needed.

Trump is a show man and a sales man with a convincing pitch but he’s an amateur. When it comes to government, he’s no different to the kid who’s a white belt at karate but convinces everyone around him that he’s really a black belt. He’s a man who’s built his empire on both inheritance and lies and he’s a man who has very deliberately stirred up some evil propaganda. He’s a nonsense, a joke, a fool who, for all his money, behaves like white trailer trash and so although I hope none of the republican candidates get in, I sincerely hope its not him.

That is exactly why he is winning. The fact that he isnt a politician who will bow down to big business and banks is one of his main campaign issues. Then compare that to how much Hillary embodies the establishment and how much she takes from big banks and big business then you see a Hillary victory is not the sure thing many people think it is.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

That is exactly why he is winning. The fact that he isnt a politician who will bow down to big business and banks is one of his main campaign issues. Then compare that to how much Hillary embodies the establishment and how much she takes from big banks and big business then you see a Hillary victory is not the sure thing many people think it is.

All the Republicans are as bad as one another (I mean, they all have similar agendas) but at least the others have a good foundational base in the political field. Its like voting for Alan Sugar because we like the way he's a straight talker, he's someone we can all aspire to and more importantly, we find him entertaining. Whilst he may be a Lord, that doesn't mean he's capable or calm enough to make decisions on every aspect of government.

[DemolitionRed]

He keeps telling us how rich he is and how he’s funding his own campaign but is he ? Since August of last year Trump set up a donate site and although the real figures aren't going to come out before his tax returns, its reported to be many, many millions of dollars.

Its impossible to do the maths on what's came out of his own pocket without the total figures of donations received but when you learn that Trump is running his campaign in the building he owns and using a lot of those donor contributions to pay the rent to himself, it becomes apparent that he’s putting the donations in his own pocket so he can claim he’s paying for the campaign himself. My guess would be, he hasn't spent a dime.

He also tells us that some of those donations go to his chosen ‘Veteran groups’ which he claims are none profit charities but when both Politcusus and Forbes did a bit of digging they discovered this-

“The Donald J. Trump Foundation has donated $5.5 million to 298 charities between 2009 and 2013 (the most recent year available), according to the non-profit’s 990 tax forms from those years. Of that, only $57,000 has been donated to seven organizations that directly benefit military veterans or their families, Forbes found. Wounded Warriors was not among the organizations Trump’s foundation gave to in that time period.
Forbes also found that Trump, who we estimate is worth $4.5 billion, has not made personal contributions to his foundation during the same time period. We reached out to his spokespeople for comment, but did not hear back."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilycan.../#5fa86e886c9e

So barely 1% of Trump’s foundation’s donations went to organizations that support veterans. Which is strange because he’s really used these Veterans to gain popularity. All charitable donations (not surprisingly) are funnelled through his company and so there is no way of knowing if his own company donate a single dime to these Veterans he claims to be supporting.

The Trump campaign refuses to tell Forbes which veteran groups its working with, though they did let it slip they were supporting the “Wounded Warrior Project” a charitable organization that are known for spending most of their donations on staff luxury hotels and holidays.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wounded-...onation-money/

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

All the Republicans are as bad as one another (I mean, they all have similar agendas) but at least the others have a good foundational base in the political field. Its like voting for Alan Sugar because we like the way he's a straight talker, he's someone we can all aspire to and more importantly, we find him entertaining. Whilst he may be a Lord, that doesn't mean he's capable or calm enough to make decisions on every aspect of government.

I disagree the others have a good base in politics. Rubio is without doubt the most bought politician in this field and possibly the most bought of all time. Its not particularly relevant how many years he has in the Senate when its pretty much common knowledge he does not have his constituents best interests at heart. Trump beats them all with his sound bites that apparently speak to the heart of the American middle classes. The middle classes know Rubio or Cruz dont care about them so along comes Trump to take all their votes.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Trump not completely self funded as he claims

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/75-mi...nwltr=abcn_tco

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I disagree the others have a good base in politics. Rubio is without doubt the most bought politician in this field and possibly the most bought of all time. Its not particularly relevant how many years he has in the Senate when its pretty much common knowledge he does not have his constituents best interests at heart. Trump beats them all with his sound bites that apparently speak to the heart of the American middle classes. The middle classes know Rubio or Cruz dont care about them so along comes Trump to take all their votes.

A great and accurate assessment.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

That is exactly why he is winning. The fact that he isnt a politician who will bow down to big business and banks is one of his main campaign issues. Then compare that to how much Hillary embodies the establishment and how much she takes from big banks and big business then you see a Hillary victory is not the sure thing many people think it is.

..yeah, also I was thinking on a personal level, how much he 'goes against'...no, oh 'the perfect family man'/type thing...no thought about any 'skeletons in his cupboard' to come out because they've been out and about, around the block, in OK and Hello and every other which way, he's a warts and all type person that just seems to be on an up and up atm...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, also I was thinking on a personal level, how much he 'goes against'...no, oh 'the perfect family man'/type thing...no thought about any 'skeletons in his cupboard' to come out because they've been out and about, around the block, in OK and Hello and every other which way, he's a warts and all type person that just seems to be on an up and up atm...

Yeah white supremacists are so excited they can't contain themselves. They dicks are chaffed from the amount of masturbating they do over pics of Trump. They can't wait for him to put in laws where it's legal to terrorise someone you suspect of being illegal with their big "hunting" guns and where hanging people that don't look like them is acceptable again. David Duke can't contain himself.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yeah white supremacists are so excited they can't contain themselves. They dicks are chaffed from the amount of masturbating they do over pics of Trump. They can't wait for him to put in laws where it's legal to terrorise someone you suspect of being illegal with their big "hunting" guns and where hanging people that don't look like them is acceptable again. David Duke can't contain himself.

Scary how easy it is for people to succumb to far right ideals isn't it?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Scary how easy it is for people to succumb to far right ideals isn't it?

What? Like the Far Right Centralised anti-Democratic ideals of the European Union? Yes; you are right, it is scary how easy it is for people to succumb.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What? Like the Far Right Centralised anti-Democratic ideals of the European Union? Yes; you are right, it is scary how easy it is for people to succumb.

Once we are out of the EU and our human rights begin to fall away then will all succumb, thanks to people supportive of people like trump.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Once we are out of the EU and our human rights begin to fall away then will all succumb, thanks to people supportive of people like trump.

Not Kizzy bating for the Agents of Fear

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Scary how easy it is for people to succumb to far right ideals isn't it?

The excitement on here about Trump amuses the hell out of me. I mean, what does Trump have to do with British politics?

The one thing we continually heard when Trump first jumped on that campaign stage was about how he was going to build a wall across the Mexican border and stopping all Muslims entering the country. After that we were subjected to many headlines about how Trump flirted with white supremacy.

Most Brits know little to nothing about Trump other than his immigration policies. Most people don't need to know more because Trump isn't a British politician which makes him somewhat irrelevant to us. Some however, started to take a keener interest and they can deny it all they want but they took a keen interest because when he came out of that political birth canal, he was all about dealing with those dirty immigrants. Trump excites a minority noninclusive audience over here, it was inevitable; in fact, when those blonde Katy Hopkins style locks first started showing up on our news channels, I could of taken bets on the types who would support him and types who wouldn't.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The excitement on here about Trump amuses the hell out of me. I mean, what does Trump have to do with British politics?

The one thing we continually heard when Trump first jumped on that campaign stage was about how he was going to build a wall across the Mexican border and stopping all Muslims entering the country. After that we were subjected to many headlines about how Trump flirted with white supremacy.

Most Brits know little to nothing about Trump other than his immigration policies. Most people don't need to know more because Trump isn't a British politician which makes him somewhat irrelevant to us. Some however, started to take a keener interest and they can deny it all they want but they took a keen interest because when he came out of that political birth canal, he was all about dealing with those dirty immigrants. Trump excites a minority noninclusive audience over here, it was inevitable; in fact, when those blonde Katy Hopkins style locks first started showing up on our news channels, I could of taken bets on the types who would support him and types who wouldn't.

Oh I agree, there's not much substance behind the hyped tabloidesque soundbites, reminiscent of UKIP I'd say.
Lots of shouty hand waving, no credible solutions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh I agree, there's not much substance behind the hyped tabloidesque soundbites, reminiscent of UKIP I'd say.
Lots of shouty hand waving, no credible solutions.

At least UKip address actual problems

rather than pretend they dont exist


*cough* immigration

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Scary how easy it is for people to succumb to far right ideals isn't it?

Scary yes. Surprising no.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Scary yes. Surprising no.

The funny thing is they are such cowards that refuse to own up to their beliefs when asked why. They have a tendency to change the subject or just vanish.