[Calderyon]

Only ones i´m rooting for is Tai and the girls on Beauty tribe.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Agreed completely with all of this except I think one of the beauty girls could win... it's just hard to tell which has a good chance because they're barely on the show.

Isn't barely being shown a good thing though or is it not like that in Survivor? Cause like in BB, if you're not being shown in the beginning it's most likely because you're playing a good game and gonna go far. I feel like that might be even more the case on Survivor since it's pre-recorded and they already know who's going to be around later (so they can give them more air time later).

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

A lot of the time they try to hide the winner so who knows. The reason I think the beauty girls aren't getting a lot of air time yet is that they got their act together and haven't gone to tribal yet. If they keep getting no air time after the swap then they have no chance but its too early to rule them out yet especially Anna she seems to have a good shot I think.

Nope I am ruling out any of them winning, if one did win they would at least show us some personality to them, which they have failed to do. Its the same, they are in a girl alliance and thats it. They was looking for a 4th vote, and it spent them 3 Episodes to pick Caleb only for Caleb to go out the next episode? The girls alliance is only being shown because it gives the beauty tribe some screen time.

Lets see what happens with this Swap, maybe we finally get some personality with them and actually figure out who each one is.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I am backing up Debbie to win at this point.. And i feel like she CAN win

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Nope I am ruling out any of them winning, if one did win they would at least show us some personality to them, which they have failed to do. Its the same, they are in a girl alliance and thats it. They was looking for a 4th vote, and it spent them 3 Episodes to pick Caleb only for Caleb to go out the next episode? The girls alliance is only being shown because it gives the beauty tribe some screen time.

Lets see what happens with this Swap, maybe we finally get some personality with them and actually figure out who each one is.

You can rule them out if you want but I am not. As far as I can tell the only person left in the game who has gotten a truly positive edit has been Tai. To me that means either Tai is your winner which is possible or he's just the guy the editors want you to love only to crush your dreams later on when he gets voted out late in the game.

[VanessaFeltz.]

"Did you get the sense that either Jason or Scot were throwing the challenge, or at least not trying that hard to win?

They knew a swap was coming, they knew a target was going to be put on Jason’s back, and they knew they had to get me out.

This wasn’t shown. At the end of the challenge, I was on the puzzle and I looked at Jason and Scot and said ‘switch.’ They wouldn’t switch. I yelled ‘switch me!’ and they still wouldn’t, and Jeff was like ‘Alecia is looking at the Brawn tribe and getting no love from the Brawn tribe.’ They wouldn’t switch with me, they laughed at me, and we lost the challenge. I think they intentionally did that to get me to tribal because they knew I was a spatial threat and I was going to put a target on their backs."

As i thought they were throwing the challenge

[reece(:]

They were throwing because they refused to do the puzzle

[reece(:]

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/10...form=hootsuite

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

A lot of the time they try to hide the winner so who knows.

the last time a winner was hidden was Sophie? And before that Natalie W? Winner edits have been super obnoxious lately.

[iRyan]

I got pretty emotional during the reward challenge scenes, the bits with Caleb in particular made me start to cry! It was so real.

[Headie]

from alecia’s exit interviews
-she tried to pull off a 3-2-1 vote on the first tribal which is why she didnt admit or deny having an idol
-she tried chopping down the tree where the idol key was at but the producers told her no so she started climbing the tree
-cydney told her that she’s solid w the female alliance and it wasnt until jennifer changed her mind that cydney told alecia that there’s a change of plans and to write down jennifer’s name, which is why she trusted cydney a lot

And y'all hate Cydney, smh

Bye @ producers not letting Alecia cut down the tree to get the idol she deserves!

[Samm]

Lmao @ her trying to chop down a tree

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

the last time a winner was hidden was Sophie? And before that Natalie W? Winner edits have been super obnoxious lately.

I would be curious to see a confessional count for female winners.I feel like they get far less confessionals then the male winners. You named the 2 most obvious under edited winners but I feel like even Kim who had one of the most dominate wins ever even she was under edited early on.

Tai and Jason are the clear front runners at this point but I am still holding out hope for some others because a Jason win would be aweful.

[Headie]

Damn, Liz really got herself injured during the show:

(warning: graphic)

http://imgur.com/a/eR7ex

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Damn, Liz really got herself injured during the show:

(warning: graphic)

http://imgur.com/a/eR7ex

Omg (I shouldn't have clicked on the link bc I'm really squeamish )

Cambodia seems like such a brutal location to film in. It's a miracle how no one from SC got medevaced

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Damn, Liz really got herself injured during the show:

(warning: graphic)

http://imgur.com/a/eR7ex

what the

[Braden]

Wow, I didn't think it was that serious. Those pictures are crazy.

[reece(:]

Wow, poor Liz

[Mokka]

Oh my... that's kinda freaky

[Dominic]

The Beauty Girls' edits are probably the closest to winner edits idk

Also idk if this has been posted but ew:

[Headie]

Survivor 33: Winners Season Final Two leaked

Spoiler:

[LemonJam]

Scot and Jason are seriously the worst.

[Green Monster]

So that was pretty hardcore episode, really revealling once again just how real it is out there, with the proverbial curtain drawn to see the production team in full effect at that challenge.

The question us, why was it necessary?

Yes, challenges are tested prior to them being attempted by the players but by people that are not already relatively dehydrated, as the players were. And surely the duty of care should have asked, was it prudent to run such a challenge in that heat? Could it not have been done earlier early in ther morning or later in the afternoon?

Brian Corridan wrote of similiar incidents that happened during his time playing in Guatemala, another notoriously harsh seasons, of players being wiped out by the conidtions and similiar scenes occuring, and even though we saw footage of the effects of the 12 mile hike on a number of the guys being wiped out, but there were quite a number of other instances that season also.

So it is not as is, after 30-odd seasons that the production team were dealing with unchartered waters as they were back in 2001, when Skupin fell in the fire hands first.

There is a reason why the locals that lives in these climes and conditions do things at the time of the day when things were not at their hottest. Ther producers of the show have to have some duty of care towards the players. So either they didn't consider what eventuated was likely to happen, or that they just didn't bother to even consider it a possibility.

And it raises a question that, with the medical team on hand there to look after the players that there was only 1 doctor amongst them. Now it is possible that there are 2 medical officers in the production team, but that th other was treating Liz at Loser's Lodge for the staph infection (or was with her when she had to be medivac'd from LL because of that), but there was another dr on the scene. Surely Peter, who has reminded so often during his confessionals that 'as an ER doctor' would have been a handy man to have on the scene, yet we saw none of this either.

Meanwhile, Probst is gushing over Jason helping take care of Cydney. The same guy who has been all too often protrayed as a bully, yet is getting these curious edits and coments of priase from Probst... Well, no real surprise there, as Probst definitely has his type that he likes.

Speaking of the Scot &Jason attitudes toward Alecia, is is pretty disgusting to see how that was portrayed and in no way condoning their attitude or actions, because they are indefensible. However, Alecia is far from being worthy of all the priase that has been lavished on her also. More on that in a moment, but a couple of thoughts on the edit that Caleb got this season compared to the way he was presented in BB.

In BB, we saw 2 distinct sides of Caleb; the one that gave off some creepy unsettling vibes as the lvelorn puppydog set on Amber, and the one that we saw after her departure from the game. This last one seems more in kkeping with the Caleb we saw in this season, but I can't help but think that the producers were probably hoping for the one that creeped Amber out when they were doing the casting. Anyhow, he genuinely got a bit of a heroes edit, and although he is obviously doing well and survived, but it goes to show the engths that he would go to when doing 'beast mode cowboy'.

Am sure other players, especially when they knew they were only doing all this for some salt and pepper probabaly thought, is this worth the effort? In a word, no. But some competitiors just can't think that way. They have to go all out. Like what Brian described about Stephenie in that link above, and just like Caleb here.

Calbe won the battle and ultimately lost the war because of it. But given the titlecard in mid-ep (something unprecedented, not even last year when Terry went home), as well as yhe comment during final words, that Alecia didnt get to give, seems pretty indicative that Beast Mode Cowboy almost certainly will be back on Survivor.

The Tai edit continues to remind of the one Yau-Man got in Fiji, where Probst is angling every question his way for impromptu sound bytes. There are obviously other examples of this, but Yau is the most immediate coming to mind, given just rewatched Fiji as inspired byt the most recent series of Historians podcasts, lol.

But putting all that to the side.

Have bit my lip for the most part these past few weeks, in order to give the benefit of the doubt based on the number of Alecia fans here and elsewhere, to try and percieve what it was that they admired so much about her. But it completely aludes me. Really cannot work out why there seems to be such a strong core of support for her.

The gameplay was atrocious, the social play was poor, the self awareness non-existant. Over the course of the 4 episodes that she has been in it was a curious edit, one largely omitting how she was so annoying to Scot & Jason (in particular), yet highlighting her perseverence in starting the fire. Done obviously with the desire to skew public opinion. Then not only in confessional but openly admitting that she was intending to flip come a swap. TBH, I do get the feeling that Brawn may not have tried super dooper hard as they may have at the challenge (esp the guys) after that, in order to vote her out, as they had the numbers, the HII and with her openly declaring her intention to flip not only made her nothing but an expendible liability.

Ok, so I can see how the others saw the benefit of keeping an easy boot around the first time that this tribe went to TC, and Jenny pretty much single-handedly blew up her own game the next time, but there was no getting out of it this time.

But I digress...

So why did we get to see such a curious edit? At TC Probst said it himself, he was wanting to root for her, and with the level of influence that Probst has over the show then there is that spin on the edit of what we saw from her.

Does Alecia deserve the amount of support or hate? No, to both of these. So, I really don't get why so many are so empassioned by her, because, in the grand scheme of things, she is just kinda meh. Am sure had the events been different and Brawn had of gone through the first few challenges largely undefeated, then others in this game would easily have been given that amount of screen time. But clearly given what the editors felt best added to the story of the season, especially with Brawn going to TC so often was someone to root for; an underdog. And thats how she was presented. Which again comes back to what Probst was saying at TC. The fact that this particular Probst comment was deemed worthy of inclusion in the episode cannot understate the intention of having given Alecia such a prominant edit - good, bad or indifferent.

There has been comparisons made between J'Tia, Shirin, Abi etc. A case can be made for each, but why give this girl, and these others such prominant edits? Shirin was not a particularly good player the first, and only recency bias explains why she got a second chance. Abi the same even though over her 2 seasons her ability to really get under people's skins . J'Tia comparisons are probabaly the most accurate in terms of recency bias, as there are so many reasons these 2 are cut from the same clth, so to speak.

But there are a core that like the law of uinintended consequences. Put a trainwreck of a person in the game and see what chaos they can cause. Some people fixate on this and call it entertainment, and it can be. It can be very entertaining. Sugar in Gabon was entertaining. For better or worse, Dreamz in Fiji caused situations that led to entertaining outcomes and controversy. Hell, even Lil in PI had elements of this latter course, even though she was far from being entertaining.

Does Alecia deserve such a prominant edit? Participation on 1 small tribe for 4 episodes, erven on such a trainwreck crew as this Brawn incarnation would suggest no.

A real benchmark for a positive pre-merge edit was set wayyyy back in 2001. Compare Alecia with, say Gina from Marquesas. Gina was a pre-merge boot that had an incredibly positive and prominant edit, showed great spirit, had the ability to be socially adaptable, had perseverence and never gave up either. All of this lead the the sense there was a genuine sadness when she was voted out of the game.

How many of these boxes did Alecia tick? One. Maybe.

But what was it that people admire so about Alecia? The perseverence to not give up and that is about it. On every other level Alecia was a fail.

Way to celebrate true mediocrity. So, yay Alecia, I guess?

[iRyan]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Damn, Liz really got herself injured during the show:

(warning: graphic)

http://imgur.com/a/eR7ex

Holy ****, that is horrifying. I guess even if she survived that vote she would've been med evac'd eventually.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Green Monster

So that was pretty hardcore episode, really revealling once again just how real it is out there, with the proverbial curtain drawn to see the production team in full effect at that challenge.

The question us, why was it necessary?

Yes, challenges are tested prior to them being attempted by the players but by people that are not already relatively dehydrated, as the players were. And surely the duty of care should have asked, was it prudent to run such a challenge in that heat? Could it not have been done earlier early in ther morning or later in the afternoon?

Brian Corridan wrote of similiar incidents that happened during his time playing in Guatemala, another notoriously harsh seasons, of players being wiped out by the conidtions and similiar scenes occuring, and even though we saw footage of the effects of the 12 mile hike on a number of the guys being wiped out, but there were quite a number of other instances that season also.

So it is not as is, after 30-odd seasons that the production team were dealing with unchartered waters as they were back in 2001, when Skupin fell in the fire hands first.

There is a reason why the locals that lives in these climes and conditions do things at the time of the day when things were not at their hottest. Ther producers of the show have to have some duty of care towards the players. So either they didn't consider what eventuated was likely to happen, or that they just didn't bother to even consider it a possibility.

And it raises a question that, with the medical team on hand there to look after the players that there was only 1 doctor amongst them. Now it is possible that there are 2 medical officers in the production team, but that th other was treating Liz at Loser's Lodge for the staph infection (or was with her when she had to be medivac'd from LL because of that), but there was another dr on the scene. Surely Peter, who has reminded so often during his confessionals that 'as an ER doctor' would have been a handy man to have on the scene, yet we saw none of this either.

Meanwhile, Probst is gushing over Jason helping take care of Cydney. The same guy who has been all too often protrayed as a bully, yet is getting these curious edits and coments of priase from Probst... Well, no real surprise there, as Probst definitely has his type that he likes.

Speaking of the Scot &Jason attitudes toward Alecia, is is pretty disgusting to see how that was portrayed and in no way condoning their attitude or actions, because they are indefensible. However, Alecia is far from being worthy of all the priase that has been lavished on her also. More on that in a moment, but a couple of thoughts on the edit that Caleb got this season compared to the way he was presented in BB.

In BB, we saw 2 distinct sides of Caleb; the one that gave off some creepy unsettling vibes as the lvelorn puppydog set on Amber, and the one that we saw after her departure from the game. This last one seems more in kkeping with the Caleb we saw in this season, but I can't help but think that the producers were probably hoping for the one that creeped Amber out when they were doing the casting. Anyhow, he genuinely got a bit of a heroes edit, and although he is obviously doing well and survived, but it goes to show the engths that he would go to when doing 'beast mode cowboy'.

Am sure other players, especially when they knew they were only doing all this for some salt and pepper probabaly thought, is this worth the effort? In a word, no. But some competitiors just can't think that way. They have to go all out. Like what Brian described about Stephenie in that link above, and just like Caleb here.

Calbe won the battle and ultimately lost the war because of it. But given the titlecard in mid-ep (something unprecedented, not even last year when Terry went home), as well as yhe comment during final words, that Alecia didnt get to give, seems pretty indicative that Beast Mode Cowboy almost certainly will be back on Survivor.

The Tai edit continues to remind of the one Yau-Man got in Fiji, where Probst is angling every question his way for impromptu sound bytes. There are obviously other examples of this, but Yau is the most immediate coming to mind, given just rewatched Fiji as inspired byt the most recent series of Historians podcasts, lol.

But putting all that to the side.

Have bit my lip for the most part these past few weeks, in order to give the benefit of the doubt based on the number of Alecia fans here and elsewhere, to try and percieve what it was that they admired so much about her. But it completely aludes me. Really cannot work out why there seems to be such a strong core of support for her.

The gameplay was atrocious, the social play was poor, the self awareness non-existant. Over the course of the 4 episodes that she has been in it was a curious edit, one largely omitting how she was so annoying to Scot & Jason (in particular), yet highlighting her perseverence in starting the fire. Done obviously with the desire to skew public opinion. Then not only in confessional but openly admitting that she was intending to flip come a swap. TBH, I do get the feeling that Brawn may not have tried super dooper hard as they may have at the challenge (esp the guys) after that, in order to vote her out, as they had the numbers, the HII and with her openly declaring her intention to flip not only made her nothing but an expendible liability.

Ok, so I can see how the others saw the benefit of keeping an easy boot around the first time that this tribe went to TC, and Jenny pretty much single-handedly blew up her own game the next time, but there was no getting out of it this time.

But I digress...

So why did we get to see such a curious edit? At TC Probst said it himself, he was wanting to root for her, and with the level of influence that Probst has over the show then there is that spin on the edit of what we saw from her.

Does Alecia deserve the amount of support or hate? No, to both of these. So, I really don't get why so many are so empassioned by her, because, in the grand scheme of things, she is just kinda meh. Am sure had the events been different and Brawn had of gone through the first few challenges largely undefeated, then others in this game would easily have been given that amount of screen time. But clearly given what the editors felt best added to the story of the season, especially with Brawn going to TC so often was someone to root for; an underdog. And thats how she was presented. Which again comes back to what Probst was saying at TC. The fact that this particular Probst comment was deemed worthy of inclusion in the episode cannot understate the intention of having given Alecia such a prominant edit - good, bad or indifferent.

There has been comparisons made between J'Tia, Shirin, Abi etc. A case can be made for each, but why give this girl, and these others such prominant edits? Shirin was not a particularly good player the first, and only recency bias explains why she got a second chance. Abi the same even though over her 2 seasons her ability to really get under people's skins . J'Tia comparisons are probabaly the most accurate in terms of recency bias, as there are so many reasons these 2 are cut from the same clth, so to speak.

But there are a core that like the law of uinintended consequences. Put a trainwreck of a person in the game and see what chaos they can cause. Some people fixate on this and call it entertainment, and it can be. It can be very entertaining. Sugar in Gabon was entertaining. For better or worse, Dreamz in Fiji caused situations that led to entertaining outcomes and controversy. Hell, even Lil in PI had elements of this latter course, even though she was far from being entertaining.

Does Alecia deserve such a prominant edit? Participation on 1 small tribe for 4 episodes, erven on such a trainwreck crew as this Brawn incarnation would suggest no.

A real benchmark for a positive pre-merge edit was set wayyyy back in 2001. Compare Alecia with, say Gina from Marquesas. Gina was a pre-merge boot that had an incredibly positive and prominant edit, showed great spirit, had the ability to be socially adaptable, had perseverence and never gave up either. All of this lead the the sense there was a genuine sadness when she was voted out of the game.

How many of these boxes did Alecia tick? One. Maybe.

But what was it that people admire so about Alecia? The perseverence to not give up and that is about it. On every other level Alecia was a fail.

Way to celebrate true mediocrity. So, yay Alecia, I guess?

I'm not quite sure I understand your point, can you elaborate some more please?

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by Green Monster

Really cannot work out why there seems to be such a strong core of support for her.

The gameplay was atrocious, the social play was poor, the self awareness non-existant.

pretty much answered your own question. <3

Me personally, I'd much prefer to watch a messy tribal cockroach for 4 episodes than a self-aware strategist for a season.