[waterhog]

should we do a u-turn or a eubank on boxing ? 31.3.16

　

when i was little

boxing had glamour

saturday nights were like xmas tinsel

back then i was to young to poetry grammar.

we would all settee group

the TV remote control was uno

george and his house had a silent sound loop

he was at the ring supporting Bruno.

then there was tragedy

was it time boxing got on its bicycle

chris was professional and in no way savagery

but that was the end of watson michael.

i just said it was tragic

but this sport is brutal

the risks are no invisible magic

consequences are never fruitful.

onto his fathers path

but ant and dec are not commentating

a repeat is a terrible aftermath

but i'm a celeb get me out of here Junior is calculating.

risky is boxing

but we must never deport

once it goes underground it has no detoxing

even with danger lets manage and protect this sport.



( as bad as boxing is - we must not ban it as it will go underground and that will be far more dangerous. chris Eubank gets my ultimate respect as he is a true professional and acted so honorable while he son was fighting and his advice from the side of the ring to his son is the proof. i would like to make clear the GM crop has nothing to do with this poem and if you need a george try googling brunos trainer. )

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by waterhog

should we do a u-turn or a eubank on boxing ? 31.3.16

　

when i was little

boxing had glamour

saturday nights were like xmas tinsel

back then i was to young to poetry grammar.

we would all settee group

the TV remote control was uno

george and his house had a silent sound loop

he was at the ring supporting Bruno.

then there was tragedy

was it time boxing got on its bicycle

chris was professional and in no way savagery

but that was the end of watson michael.

i just said it was tragic

but this sport is brutal

the risks are no invisible magic

consequences are never fruitful.

onto his fathers path

but ant and dec are not commentating

a repeat is a terrible aftermath

but i'm a celeb get me out of here Junior is calculating.

risky is boxing

but we must never deport

once it goes underground it has no detoxing

even with danger lets manage and protect this sport.



( as bad as boxing is - we must not ban it as it will go underground and that will be far more dangerous. chris Eubank gets my ultimate respect as he is a true professional and acted so honorable while he son was fighting and his advice from the side of the ring to his son is the proof. i would like to make clear the GM crop has nothing to do with this poem and if you need a george try googling brunos trainer. )

The ref and Blackwell's corner were SOLELY to blame for this tragedy.

A blind man could see that young Blackwell was taking too much punishment and Victor Loughlin should have stopped the fight 3 rounds earlier.

Blackwell's corner put the their trust in the fact that Blackwell is known to 'come on strong' in the later stages of a fight and the fact that Eubank Jr was visibly tiring, but I believe that they were ALL also blinded by real hatred of Eubank and were so intent on wanting to humiliate him by defeating him that it clouded their judgement.

I agree with you Hog that neither Eubank Snr or Jr. bears any culpability here.

When Chris Snr tried to shout to Loughlin to stop the fight, Loughlin angrily screamed at him to get out of the ring.

Boxing - like horse racing - should be left alone.

[arista]

No Leave Boxing Alone
Hog

[billy123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The ref and Blackwell's corner were SOLELY to blame for this tragedy.

A blind man could see that young Blackwell was taking too much punishment and Victor Loughlin should have stopped the fight 3 rounds earlier.

Blackwell's corner put the their trust in the fact that Blackwell is known to 'come on strong' in the later stages of a fight and the fact that Eubank Jr was visibly tiring, but I believe that they were ALL also blinded by real hatred of Eubank and were so intent on wanting to humiliate him by defeating him that it clouded their judgement.

I agree with you Hog that neither Eubank Snr or Jr. bears any culpability here.

When Chris Snr tried to shout to Loughlin to stop the fight, Loughlin angrily screamed at him to get out of the ring.

Boxing - like horse racing - should be left alone.

I could not agree with you more Kirk. Eubank snr might well have saved Blackwells life and for the referee to warn him to stop away from banging on the canvas was pure arrogance.
Eubank jnr was landing uppercuts with no response or defence whatsoever in the 8th it was dangerous and obvious to everybody watching.

Blackwells corner were culpable as well. I was cringing watching his mates try and taunt the Eubank corner with the belt before the fight and they should have thrown the towel in when it was obvious he was getting hurt.

That referee should never be in charge of a fight again and Eubank snr should be credited for spotting the danger as quickly as he did.

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

his plan to take all that Eubank had and then get him when tired did not work and its just one of those things. Eubank senior I think just wanted his son to win so suggested the body, I dont think he has x-ray eyes

[user104658]

"If he dies........... he dies."

In all seriousness, it is a sad situation, but I can only agree with what Eubank Jay Arr said about it; everyone who willingly steps into a fight (organised or otherwise) knows that they are taking a risk with their health, and knows that these things can happen. No one is forced into becoming a boxer, and so, so long as the risks are open and transparent, why on earth would it be "banned"? People should be free to do whatever they want with their bodies, so long as all parties involved are consenting, and there's no risk to any non-consenting party.

There are inherent risks in any physical activity so if you ban this, don't you have to ban everything? Not even just contact sports... there are far more serious injuries in solo activities like rock climbing, or skiing / snowboarding, for example, than there are in contact sports or fights.

Originally Posted by bobnot

Youtube video

Wow, I didn't know that Stephen Hawking was a boxing fan...

[Niamh.]

Yeah totally agree TS

[billy123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

his plan to take all that Eubank had and then get him when tired did not work and its just one of those things. Eubank senior I think just wanted his son to win so suggested the body, I dont think he has x-ray eyes

Poor effort 1/10 try harder. The rumour you have lost your touch is true.

Eubank snr told his son clearly that Blackwell was getting hurt and that he shouldnt hit him in the head anymore and just punch his body which is what he did.

You would either have to be one unpleasant individual to argue that fact or just have not seen it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Poor effort 1/10 try harder. The rumour you have lost your touch is true.

Eubank snr told his son clearly that Blackwell was getting hurt and that he shouldnt hit him in the head anymore and just punch his body which is what he did.

You would either have to be one unpleasant individual to argue that fact or just have not seen it.

Yeah, he clearly says "He's going to get hurt" and also is obviously confused as to why the ref hasn't stopped the fight. You don't need x-ray vision to see when someone is becoming obviously disorientated and sluggish due to head trauma.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah, he clearly says "He's going to get hurt" and also is obviously confused as to why the ref hasn't stopped the fight. You don't need x-ray vision to see when someone is becoming obviously disorientated and sluggish due to head trauma.

It was beyond the vision of both the incompetent referee and Blackwells corner for some reason though. It was horriffic to watch.
Chris Eubank snr may well have saved his life.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah, he clearly says "He's going to get hurt" and also is obviously confused as to why the ref hasn't stopped the fight. You don't need x-ray vision to see when someone is becoming obviously disorientated and sluggish due to head trauma.

I didn't see it but that sounds horrendous. Can't believe the ref didn't put a stop to it or his own corner

[Cherie]

Honestly don't know why the team or the ref didn't stop it kudos to Eubank Snr

[Niamh.]

The last Eubank fight I watched was when he fought that guy from Cork and his team were on the ball with stopping the fight

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Honestly don't know why the team or the ref didn't stop it kudos to Eubank Snr

The fight was eventually stopped by a doctor and not the referee or his corner. The poor Guy Collapsed in the ring shortly after the fight and is in a coma.
I hate to think how much worse it might have been if his oppositions dad hadnt warned his son to back off which he did for the rest of the fight. I hope he gets better.

The fact the referee even had the gall to tell Eubank snr to go away for trying to warn him of the danger was sickening.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Chris Eubank Snr was giving son tactical tips NOT protecting Nick Blackwell, insists Johnny Nelson

Johnny Nelson believes Chris Eubank Senior was NOT trying to protect Nick Blackwell when he told his son to stop punching him in the face.

Nelson insists that Eubank Senior could only see Eubank Junior winning the fight through a stoppage if he continued to hit Blackwell in the body.

The doctor ordered that the fight was to be stopped in the 10th round due to the severe swelling on the face of Blackwell, handing Eubank Junior the British title.

But it was after the fight when Blackwell collapsed after suffering a bleed to the brain.

But speaking on talkSPORT, Nelson said: "What Chris said was, 'the only way you are going to stop him is throwing shots to the body'. It wasn't out of concern [for Nick Blackwell] that Chris was saying don't go to the face.

"He was saying the only way you are going to stop this guy is by going to the body. That's what he was saying.


Blackwell was left in an induced coma after the fight but Eubank Senior had appeared to tell his son to end the face shots

Johnny Nelson believes Chris Eubank Senior was NOT trying to protect Nick Blackwell when he told his son to stop punching him in the face.

Nelson insists that Eubank Senior could only see Eubank Junior winning the fight through a stoppage if he continued to hit Blackwell in the body.

The doctor ordered that the fight was to be stopped in the 10th round due to the severe swelling on the face of Blackwell, handing Eubank Junior the British title.

But it was after the fight when Blackwell collapsed after suffering a bleed to the brain.

He has since been placed into an induced coma, in which he remains, as he continues to recover in hospital.

In the latter stages of the fight, Eubank Senior was seen telling his son where he should angle his punches and he confirmed that he was doing it to protect Blackwell.

But speaking on talkSPORT, Nelson said: "What Chris said was, 'the only way you are going to stop him is throwing shots to the body'. It wasn't out of concern [for Nick Blackwell] that Chris was saying don't go to the face.

"He was saying the only way you are going to stop this guy is by going to the body. That's what he was saying.

"Let's not get silly and jump on this bandwagon and say Chris saw something we didn't see. If Chris could have got Junior to knock him out, he would have got him to knock him out.

"He knew Nick Blackwell was very strong and he was trying to get him stopped to the body. Obviously it is a concern but it was not his major concern."

Nelson also believes that the referee was right not to stop the fight earlier.

He said: "Chris would have seen one or two things and thought this kid is tough but nobody at any stage until Nick Blackwell was taken out on a stretcher saw it at all."



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing...ng-son-7648737

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The last Eubank fight I watched was when he fought that guy from Cork and his team were on the ball with stopping the fight

I think that would have been Steve Collins he was a great fighter. I think he beat Eubank twice and deservedly so and that was after Eubank really hurt Michael Watson and put him in a wheelchair which makes this story so much more relevant Eubank snr was traumatised by what happened to him so for him to spot what was happening and to be told to go away was horrific.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bobnot

I think that would have been Steve Collins he was a great fighter. I think he beat Eubank twice and deservedly so and that was after Eubank really hurt Michael Watson and put him in a wheelchair which makes this story so much more relevant Eubank snr was traumatised by what happened to him so for him to spot what was happening and to be told to go away was horrific.

No, I'm talking about Eubank Jnr. Steve Collins is from Dublin although he did beat Eubank Snr in Cork, I remember that fondly

*It was Spike O'Sullivan he fought back in December

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Chris Eubank Snr was giving son tactical tips NOT protecting Nick Blackwell, insists Johnny Nelson

His exact words are; "If you keep beating him like this, #1, he's getting hurt".

Are you just stubbornly not watching the actual video and only going to third hand sources, LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

His exact words are; "If you keep beating him like this, #1, he's getting hurt".

Are you just stubbornly not watching the actual video and only going to third hand sources, LT?

No I watched the whole fight and I think ES was trying to get his son to work his body as time was running out and he could see he was not going to knock him out.

[Kizzy]

I think it's corrupt, the fight wasn't stopped as too many people would lose money. There isn't a sport now that isn't fixed imo.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No, I'm talking about Eubank Jnr. Steve Collins is from Dublin although he did beat Eubank Snr in Cork, I remember that fondly

*It was Spike O'Sullivan he fought back in December

Oh sorry i thought you meant snr. I followed snr's career from early on and as arrogant and a showman as he was he always had respect for other fighters and i loved him for that.
I have been watching Juniors fights but until his last couple of fights i have been watching to see his dad but now i think he has the makings of a great fighter.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Oh sorry i thought you meant snr. I followed snr's career from early on and as arrogant and a showman as he was he always had respect for other fighters and i loved him for that.
I have been watching Juniors fights but until his last couple of fights i have been watching to see his dad but now i think he has the makings of a great fighter.

Yeah, I used to watch more boxing back in ES time tbh, I only watched that last fight I mentioned because the guy was from Cork and his trainer was Steve Collins brother I'm much more into MMA these days

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think it's corrupt, the fight wasn't stopped as too many people would lose money. There isn't a sport now that isn't fixed imo.

Sadly Betting was part of the Ref's slowness


that Fight was not Fixed
Either could have won.
No one must lose their title



Its Tragic Eubank Snr
could see this starting to get very wrong
but the Ref did not

[joeysteele]

I really don't like Boxing, never saw the point of a 'sport' where hitting someone repeatedly on the head makes much sense to me,sorry to Boxing fans.

However what I have seen of this I would more blame the referee.
Boxers know the situation and what can possibly happen then still choose to go in for the matches, so I would say leave Boxing alone really.