[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

. Nah instead black gets, n8ggers don't belong in metal.

One of my favourite bands, as it happens..

Now, does he get unwarranted crap from narrow-minded rednecks because he's a black man in a metal band? Yes, he does, I've read interviews with him talking about it. The point is that he SHOULDN'T. Not that it should be tit for tat! He should be free to make and enjoy the kind of music he loves,regardless of its "origins". Everyone should. Black metal front men and white rappers.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're not allowed to say that though Niamh because everything is Americanised, and in American history, black people and Native Americans suffered at the hands of white people.

The treatment of Celtic people in both Ireland and Scotland, for hundreds of years, was absolutely abysmal. Do we kick off when we see an English man in a kilt? No.

That's just one example of one population being abused by another across Europe, throughout history... But apparently, that's all irrelevant.

I personally say keep it simple. If one person wants to embrace another culture in a positive and appreciative way - whether it's "theirs" or not - then where is the bad? Save your battles for situations where there is actual prejudice and hatred.

mmhhmm History is much more complex than that. And yes I agree with the BIB

[Tom4784]

I've got mixed feelings on it, I don't really think the example in the OP is cultural appropriation but it does exist. I think it gets misrepresented a lot so it's passed off as a joke.

[Marsh.]

I really cannot ****ing stand all of this "we" and "you" as though everyone comes from the same perspective due to the colour of their skin or country they were born etc.

Life doesn't work like that.

[Niamh.]

Actually reading up on Cultural Appropriation, Ireland (a white nation) could slot into this example as easily so I don't get why us white people are always lumped in as one singular unit of people, our language is on the brink of extinction too thanks to British invasion :

When the last living survivors of massacred Indigenous tribes are fighting to save their language before it dies when they do, and Native students are suspended for speaking in their own Indigenous languages, mirroring the abusive US boarding schools that tried to wipe out Native American cultures up until the 1980s, it’s clear that not every person who speaks English does so by choice.****
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/...riation-wrong/

BIB - Even white people tyvm

[Ammi]

..this isn't necessarily a 'fake story', the video was taken in San Francisco University and it's been questioned whether the female is a university employee, rather than a student but that isn't something that has been confirmed so far as I can see...maybe it's something that some students have taken part I to provoke discussion on the subject..?...


..this article is basically saying what CeeCee has also said, in that 'Cultural appropriation is a problem not just because White people do a Black hairstyle, but because when they do it, it is considered new or trendy. It erases Black people as if they don’t matter.
Black people have always spoken against it. If White people want to borrow some peculiarities from Black culture, they should be willing to embrace everything else.'

http://zikoko.com/gist/cultural-appr...ite-guy-locks/



..what CeeCee is saying I think is that it's extremely annoying to some people that 'black is embraced' in some things but in others, 'black is stereotyped negatively'...and when it is embraced, it's only annoying because it isn't complimented so much or seen so much as a 'fashionable' thing etc unless it's on 'white'...(I think that's what you're saying CeeCee..)..and I do understand, especially as there is still sadly so much negative stereotyping...

..on another site/article..this was one of the comments at the bottom that very much shows the level of racism that is still aimed at black people by some...so I can understand CeeCee's irritation when it feels that some 'pretty/fashionable' culture things are embraced...

Spoiler:

It's too bad the guy didn't kill that black bitch,and black bitches should stop looking like white women with long hair oh I forgot,they're jealous of white women's hair what they need to be doing is getting control of their asshole sons and raise them to help people not kill or rob them,one day your thug ass son just might run into the wrong person and he will be taken care of

[Marsh.]

But where in this story, or even in Justin Bieber getting dreadlocks, does it suggest either had a hand in creating it or calling it brand new?

Celebrities bring all kinds of age old fashion statements to the fore again and again and make it a "trend" for a while. That's just pop culture for you. It's got nothing to do with origin.

In situations like this, it's not a simple "Black people" and "white people". Justin Bieber has dreadlocks, not the entire "white community" so I don't see how it conjures up whining about stereotyping. He is one person.

[Kizzy]

Let's say it is being appropriated, why is this always a negative? If you are aware of the history and such can you not celebrate black culture this way?
I can see why it's frustrating at the portrayal that celebrities like kim k 'invented a look, but many with half a braincell know that's not true.

[arista]

"maybe it's something that some students have taken part I to provoke discussion on the subject..?..."

Yes thats how it looks Wise Ammi
That lady has done acting classes
so she is loving this.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've got mixed feelings on it, I don't really think the example in the OP is cultural appropriation but it does exist. I think it gets misrepresented a lot so it's passed off as a joke.

It's one of Tumblr's buzzwords, they over use phrases so much that they lose all meaning and become written off as a joke. There's nothing wrong with countries copying small things from each other, we've been doing it for millennia, I mean even the discussion in this thread about the history of dreadlocks proves it, it goes back through multiple nations.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"maybe it's something that some students have taken part I to provoke discussion on the subject..?..."

Yes thats how it looks Wise Ammi
That lady has done acting classes
so she is loving this.

You have no proof that she was acting do you so why derail the thread with the constant reference?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's say it is being appropriated, why is this always a negative? If you are aware of the history and such can you not celebrate black culture this way?
I can see why it's frustrating at the portrayal that celebrities like kim k 'invented a look, but many with half a braincell know that's not true.

It really isn't a negativite at all... Culture expands and spreads. It's practically part of the definition OF culture. I don't understand this desire to set or define limits on who can embrace certain aspects of certain cultures and who can't... It's ridiculous.

My wife is English born and bred, with some Irish ancestry on her mums side. She is adamant that she never felt "at home" until moving to Scotland. Scottish culture isn't a part of her natural heritage, at all, so... Should I go home tonight and tell her off for cultural appropriation? Or should I just be happy for her to have found something that she identifies with and feels at home with?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by arista

she has done acting classes
tricked you

I went by the written word...didn't watch the video.
Pleased it was a joke though. The world is mad enough.

[user104658]

Also not sure about things only being seen as fashionable once white people get their claws in. Let's be honest... Dreads can look awesome if done right, but on white people's hair they universally are just pretty awful.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It really isn't a negativite at all... Culture expands and spreads. It's practically part of the definition OF culture. I don't understand this desire to set or define limits on who can embrace certain aspects of certain cultures and who can't... It's ridiculous.

My wife is English born and bred, with some Irish ancestry on her mums side. She is adamant that she never felt "at home" until moving to Scotland. Scottish culture isn't a part of her natural heritage, at all, so... Should I go home tonight and tell her off for cultural appropriation? Or should I just be happy for her to have found something that she identifies with and feels at home with?

It's cos she's part Irish, us Celts have to stick together

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have no proof that she was acting do you so why derail the thread with the constant reference?

No I do not want this Debate to Stop.
But give them credit in California
for a Fake story at that session.

It could happen
that a Black Person would get angry at
a white person Hair.


So Kizzy this Debate Stands
no derail on debating this


10 Outta 10 on acting, though

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's cos she's part Irish, us Celts have to stick together

Yes thats fair enough

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I went by the written word...didn't watch the video.
Pleased it was a joke though. The world is mad enough.

Yes written its Great
better way to debate it.

[Shaun]

I just can't imagine ever being so miserable as to attach racial and social significance to a bloody hairstyle

[Marsh.]

Justin Bieber invented dreadlocks, so what's the issue?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I just can't imagine ever being so miserable as to attach racial and social significance to a bloody hairstyle

It's called being black and living in a world where people say Elvis is the king or rock n roll when he copied it from a black person.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

It's called being black and living in a world where people say Elvis is the king or rock n roll when he copied it from a black person.

Do you have to have invented rock n' roll to be seen as the best or most popular figure of it?

Should we attach a disclaimer to Michael Jackson's popularity that he didn't invent pop music?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Justin Bieber invented dreadlocks, so what's the issue?

Yes he loves that
he says he looks cool

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

It's called being black and living in a world where people say Elvis is the king or rock n roll when he copied it from a black person.

Yes Elvis did that.


Funky Elvis

I did not like his Death
sat on a Bog with a Burger